Israeli Legislators to Washington: If You Don't Stop Iran, We Will

[SilverBulletES]

Gotta love religion for all the peace it brings the world.

Religion still has 50+ million deaths or so to catch up with atheists like Stalin, Mao, Tojo, Pol Pot, Hitler, The Great Leader and all the other people in the 20th century who had "the answer". Thanks for the brilliant final solution buddy.

 

[smo0f]

Haha this is hilllarious. No the other Arab nations are NOT siding with Isreal. THink of it this way. Hezbollah and most of thier supporters are Shiite Muslims. the rest of the arab world are Sunni. Lets think about it that one for a min. Would it be easier to wipe out your enemy yourself or let someone else take care of it foryou and take the blame for you? the muslims are predisposed to hate the jews. it stems back to when abraham knocked up his servant. the position has not changed and will never change.

You seem to confuse arab nations with muslim fundamentalists. They're not the same thing. Please don't forget that.

 

[Killer]

Religion still has 50+ million deaths or so to catch up with atheists like Stalin, Mao, Tojo, Pol Pot, Hitler, The Great Leader and all the other people in the 20th century who had "the answer". Thanks for the brilliant final solution buddy.

Maybe this will help you out. Dont get mad at the messenger. (peep)


Religious Conflicts (selected)
Generally speaking, in most of the following cases, religion is both
the stated cause of the killing and the only substantive difference
between the two opposing groups. Obviously, there would be many
additional conflicts where religion is just one of several divisions.
Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
Early Christian doctrinal disputes
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon
1860
1975-92
Martyrs, generally
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Responsibility generally (Is religion responsible for more deaths than ...?)
Christian culpabiltiy
Russian pogroms:
1905-06
1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
In addition, here are a few noteworthy conflicts where dissimilar
ethnic groups fought for primarily religious reasons:
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
Al Qaeda, 1993-
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s


In general -- although the conflicts themselves are fierce -- the
overall numbers seems relatively small next to, e.g., the tens of
millions killed in WWII, which is generally considered a non-religious
conflict (even thought the Jewish people were particular targets for
much of the slaughter).

Does the information at this site meet your needs, are are you looking
for a single sum from all religious conflicts?

 

[igdrasil]

Earth sucks, Im going to Mars

 

[SilverBulletES]

20th century buddy.... 20th century as I said. There is no comparison. Like I said, I'm glad you got it all figured out.

 

[PhreakV]

The holly war is coming, have you chosen a side?

Christmas will never be the same... (poke)

 

[Matrix]

You are incorrect.
My statement is not misleading. Israel had amassed a large amount of arms and weaponry, with U.S. aircraft carriers stationed right off the coast. President Eisenhower had already lent them a strong U.S. military presence. The U.S. had supplied Israel with warplanes and weaponry to carry out its intentions.

Also, you are incorrect about the original land division. Of the land now know known as Israel and the occupied territories (the entire world with the exception of U.S., Israel, and Britain refuse to recognize Israel outside of the 1967 borders) was originally separated into 50% Israel and 50% Palestine. BUT GUESS WHAT? The ratio of Palestinians to Israelis was 8 to 1! Why the hell should Israel have SEIZED (yes, seized) 50% of the land when they had 1/8 the population? The War was not to "eradicate" the Jews, but to take back what was wrongfully seized. Did you know that Jews in Muslim lands (Palestine, etc.) were treated as equals? They were given positions in governent, equal rights, and every other freedom that Muslim citizens had. Prior to the establishment of Israel, there was no persecution or singling out of Jews in the area. For the first 15 years of Israel's existence, living standards were actually below what Jews had known under Arab rule.

Did you know the first 3 Israeli Prime Ministers were all on Europe's list of Top 10 Most Wanted Terrorists? Of course not, you think you can read a blurb in Newsweek and TADA! you're an expert.

Are you daft?! Israel has NOT "given back" anything! Gaza and the West Bank are not free, they are occupied. You obviously have not looked back at the facts surrounding the situation. Israel has regularly and repeatedly, throughout the years, taken measures to obliterate Palestinian and Lebanese infrastructure. Israel's policy of assasination and murder after making baseless accusations and without arrest or trial is inhumane at best. How would you like it if the police in the area just decided to make accusations based on suspicions, then rocket blast your house to kingdom come without any credible evidence to substantiate their claims? Oh that's okay, Israel said they were guilty so they must have been.

Your ignorance in this subject is overwhelming. You think you can make up facts and substitute propaganda for actual knowledge, apparently. Go do some actual research on the subject, learn facts and accurate information regarding history and policies and maybe you can start to pick up the true story.

Oops, yes, I mispoke. Technically Lebanon itself fell outside of the original border of Isreal. My bad on that one. Doesn't mean Israel shouldn't defend itself though.

Your statement in how Israel formed in 1948 is incredibly misleading. They used 0 force when they declared themselves a state. It wasn't until AFTER they were declared a state that they used force - and that was to fend off an impending invasion from the surround Arab countries (Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, etc)!!!

Here's the true timeline with simplified dates - no 4 years of schooling needed:

1914-1918 (World War I) - Jews sick of being masacred by Germany, so begin going south back to their "homeland".
1923 (World War I is done) - British decide Palestine should be divided into 2 areas, 25% goes to Jewish Palestinians (basically everything west of the Jordan River), 75% is called Trans-Jordan and goes to Arab Palestinians (East of the Jordan River). Note that the Arab Palestinian area of land is MUCH bigger than the Jewish section here.
1947 - Arab Palestinians are still not happy so the UN draws up a resolution to divide the 25% of land that is Jewish into a Jewish Palestinian state and a SECOND Arab Palestinian state. Although the Jews would lose land in this deal, they were OK with it but of course the Arabs were not even though they'd now be allowed East and West of the Jordan River.
1948 - Jewish Palestinians declare their own state following the UN resolution proposal from the year before.
1948 - The DAY AFTER the Jewish Palestinians declared their state, the neighboring Arab nations (Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, etc) invaded to dispel the Jews for good. Official start of the Israeli war of Independence.
1949 - "Israel" won and the end result of the war was the official creation of a Jewish state slightly larger than the UN resolution in 1947 (but still excluding the controversial areas knows as "Gaza Strip" and the "West Bank" and Jerusalem - those were still considered "Arab" areas and not part of Israel, unlike the UN resolution had proposed.
1949-1967 - relative peace in the area. During this time, there was NO effort made by anyone to form an official Arab Palestinian state in the West Bank or Gaza strip (that only came later after Israel regained that area).
1967 - Egypt, Jordan, and Syria gather an army surrounding the odd and difficult to defend border of Israel, preparing to invade and get rid of Israel once and for all. Israel decides to premptively attack rather than sit back waiting to be invaded. Israeli-Arab war begins.
1967 - After just 6 DAYS Israel manages to defeat the Egyptian army, the Syrian Army and the Jordan Army, taking control of large chunks of Egypt and Syria and a small piece of Jordan -- including the controversial areas known as "Gaza Strip", and "West Bank" (including Jerusalem). Problem is, Gaza Strip and West Bank are mostly occupied by Arabs (because they were Arab territories prior to when their leaders decided to go to war and LOSE). Because of these refugees, rather than drive the Arabs out to their home Arab countries, Israel decided to allow them to stay and (hopefully) peacefully co-exist.
etc etc etc - blah blah blah - they've been fighting over that area ever since. Even after Israel has GAVE BACK the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, the Arab Palestinian's continue to fight. What more can Israel do????????

 

[Killer]

20th century buddy.... 20th century as I said. There is no comparison. Like I said, I'm glad you got it all figured out.

Oh..I didn't know war and religion just started in the 2oth Century....(RTM)

 

[Killer]

You are incorrect.
My statement is not misleading. Israel had amassed a large amount of arms and weaponry, with U.S. aircraft carriers stationed right off the coast. President Eisenhower had already lent them a strong U.S. military presence. The U.S. had supplied Israel with warplanes and weaponry to carry out its intentions.

Also, you are incorrect about the original land division. Of the land now know known as Israel and the occupied territories (the entire world with the exception of U.S., Israel, and Britain refuse to recognize Israel outside of the 1967 borders) was originally separated into 50% Israel and 50% Palestine. BUT GUESS WHAT? The ratio of Palestinians to Israelis was 8 to 1! Why the hell should Israel have SEIZED (yes, seized) 50% of the land when they had 1/8 the population? The War was not to "eradicate" the Jews, but to take back what was wrongfully seized. Did you know that Jews in Muslim lands (Palestine, etc.) were treated as equals? They were given positions in governent, equal rights, and every other freedom that Muslim citizens had. Prior to the establishment of Israel, there was no persecution or singling out of Jews in the area. For the first 15 years of Israel's existence, living standards were actually below what Jews had known under Arab rule.

Did you know the first 3 Israeli Prime Ministers were all on Europe's list of Top 10 Most Wanted Terrorists? Of course not, you think you can read a blurb in Newsweek and TADA! you're an expert.

Are you daft?! Israel has NOT "given back" anything! Gaza and the West Bank are not free, they are occupied. You obviously have not looked back at the facts surrounding the situation. Israel has regularly and repeatedly, throughout the years, taken measures to obliterate Palestinian and Lebanese infrastructure. Israel's policy of assasination and murder after making baseless accusations and without arrest or trial is inhumane at best. How would you like it if the police in the area just decided to make accusations based on suspicions, then rocket blast your house to kingdom come without any credible evidence to substantiate their claims? Oh that's okay, Israel said they were guilty so they must have been.

Your ignorance in this subject is overwhelming. You think you can make up facts and substitute propaganda for actual knowledge, apparently. Go do some actual research on the subject, learn facts and accurate information regarding history and policies and maybe you can start to pick up the true story.

Excellent post.

 

[Matrix]

Excellent post.

Thanks man. (thumb)
I only post facts. The truth does all the work on its own.

 

[Shane5425]

Earth sucks, Im going to Mars

werd... at least its peacefull there.....

 

[slayer4u]

Oh..I didn't know war and religion just started in the 2oth Century....(RTM)

Did he say that? I didn't see that anywhere....

Religion in general can be blamed for many wars BUT most of them were regarded extremists and over zealots.Most muslims regard groups like Al Qaeda as extremists but when your government supports the extremists(or is made up of them) what you think doesn't really matter. To an outsider it looks like all muslims support terrorism simply because thier leaders do. It's very similar to what our country is going through. Not everyone in this country supports Bush but other countries look at our president and say "well they did elect him.That must mean all americans are that way." It's easy to blame this all on a whole religion and overlook the people involved.

 

[YellowMP5]

Earth sucks, Im going to Mars

hey dude, save a seat for me please

 

[girth]

You are incorrect.
My statement is not misleading. Israel had amassed a large amount of arms and weaponry, with U.S. aircraft carriers stationed right off the coast. President Eisenhower had already lent them a strong U.S. military presence. The U.S. had supplied Israel with warplanes and weaponry to carry out its intentions.

Also, you are incorrect about the original land division. Of the land now know known as Israel and the occupied territories (the entire world with the exception of U.S., Israel, and Britain refuse to recognize Israel outside of the 1967 borders) was originally separated into 50% Israel and 50% Palestine. BUT GUESS WHAT? The ratio of Palestinians to Israelis was 8 to 1! Why the hell should Israel have SEIZED (yes, seized) 50% of the land when they had 1/8 the population? The War was not to "eradicate" the Jews, but to take back what was wrongfully seized. Did you know that Jews in Muslim lands (Palestine, etc.) were treated as equals? They were given positions in governent, equal rights, and every other freedom that Muslim citizens had. Prior to the establishment of Israel, there was no persecution or singling out of Jews in the area. For the first 15 years of Israel's existence, living standards were actually below what Jews had known under Arab rule.

Did you know the first 3 Israeli Prime Ministers were all on Europe's list of Top 10 Most Wanted Terrorists? Of course not, you think you can read a blurb in Newsweek and TADA! you're an expert.

Are you daft?! Israel has NOT "given back" anything! Gaza and the West Bank are not free, they are occupied. You obviously have not looked back at the facts surrounding the situation. Israel has regularly and repeatedly, throughout the years, taken measures to obliterate Palestinian and Lebanese infrastructure. Israel's policy of assasination and murder after making baseless accusations and without arrest or trial is inhumane at best. How would you like it if the police in the area just decided to make accusations based on suspicions, then rocket blast your house to kingdom come without any credible evidence to substantiate their claims? Oh that's okay, Israel said they were guilty so they must have been.

Your ignorance in this subject is overwhelming. You think you can make up facts and substitute propaganda for actual knowledge, apparently. Go do some actual research on the subject, learn facts and accurate information regarding history and policies and maybe you can start to pick up the true story.

LOL, dude, point me at some facts or something rather just the endless drivel that's coming out of your hole. Everything I listed in that chronology was 100% accurate. You can deny it all you want but denial doesn't make it incorrect. I suggest you do some research on the history of Isreal.

Oh, and when a country goes to war and LOSES, they often lose land in the deal. That's exactly what happened to the Arab nations in 1967 - they were preparing an invasion of Israel, only to get their a$$es kicked and that's how the Arabs lost control of Gaza Strip and West Bank. Israel's mistake was letting the "refugees" (hard to call them that since their own Arab leaders are the reason they were refugees) stay rather than send them to their home countries.

 

[YellowMP5]

Did you know that Jews in Muslim lands (Palestine, etc.) were treated as equals? They were given positions in governent, equal rights, and every other freedom that Muslim citizens had. Prior to the establishment of Israel, there was no persecution or singling out of Jews in the area. For the first 15 years of Israel's existence, living standards were actually below what Jews had known under Arab rule.

give me some examples of when jews in muslim lands where treated as equals?

 

[Matrix]

My God you are so retarded.

Do you not understand that everything that is currently called "Israel" and "the occupied lands" was once the country of Palestine? Yes, that's right, prior to 1948 it was all Palestine. Here's a link since your ignorant butt can't figure anything out http://www.mideastweb.org/palestinedetail1.htm

How can you send Palestinians "to their own countries" when you just seized their homeland? They are indigenous. Do you not know what that means? Over 65% of the Jews in Israel at the time of its founding were Europeans fleeing German aggression.

Very little of what you posted was accurate. Try studying reputable sources and accurate historical records and accounts before you decide to pull fictional stories out of thin air.

When a country loses a war, they lose land? Really? Is that a fact? Let's see....Nazi Germany, Imperialist Japan, and Italy all lost WWII and went back to their orginal borders giving back only most (not even all) conquered lands outside their pre-war boundaries. Let's see: U.S.S.R. lost their war in Afghanistan, did they lose any land? Nope. Hmmmm...U.K., France, and Poland all got their land back after the Allies beat Germany, but they didn't take back ONE SQUARE MILE more than their pre-war boundaries.

Your ignorance is obvious, as you display your complete lack of any historical knowledge. You must have read a brief (and probably innaccurate) article somewhere and made up your mind about the things you didn't know.

LOL, dude, point me at some facts or something rather just the endless drivel that's coming out of your hole. Everything I listed in that chronology was 100% accurate. You can deny it all you want but denial doesn't make it incorrect. I suggest you do some research on the history of Isreal.

Oh, and when a country goes to war and LOSES, they often lose land in the deal. That's exactly what happened to the Arab nations in 1967 - they were preparing an invasion of Israel, only to get their a$$es kicked and that's how the Arabs lost control of Gaza Strip and West Bank. Israel's mistake was letting the "refugees" (hard to call them that since their own Arab leaders are the reason they were refugees) stay rather than send them to their home countries.

 

[RallyeRedSi]

My God you are so retarded.

Do you not understand that everything that is currently called "Israel" and "the occupied lands" was once the country of Palestine? Yes, that's right, prior to 1948 it was all Palestine. Here's a link since your ignorant butt can't figure anything out http://www.mideastweb.org/palestinedetail1.htm

How can you send Palestinians "to their own countries" when you just seized their homeland? They are indigenous. Do you not know what that means? Over 65% of the Jews in Israel at the time of its founding were Europeans fleeing German aggression.

Very little of what you posted was accurate. Try studying reputable sources and accurate historical records and accounts before you decide to pull fictional stories out of thin air.

When a country loses a war, they lose land? Really? Is that a fact? Let's see....Nazi Germany, Imperialist Japan, and Italy all lost WWII and went back to their orginal borders giving back only most (not even all) conquered lands outside their pre-war boundaries. Let's see: U.S.S.R. lost their war in Afghanistan, did they lose any land? Nope. Hmmmm...U.K., France, and Poland all got their land back after the Allies beat Germany, but they didn't take back ONE SQUARE MILE more than their pre-war boundaries.

Your ignorance is obvious, as you display your complete lack of any historical knowledge. You must have read a brief (and probably innaccurate) article somewhere and made up your mind about the things you didn't know.

(first)

 

[Matrix]

Whoops, a slight correction to my previous post.
It was President Truman who supported the Zionists with weapons, warplanes, training, and sent warships to the Mediterranean during the founding of Israel. Not Eisenhower, although he did support them when he later came to office.

 

[xelderx]

Ok the war just hit home.....I was watching CNN Headline News at work and they were showing pictures of a rocket attack in Isreal. The building that was hit had a huge corporate Mazda sign on it that looked like a dealer.

 

[ChopstickHero]

the war should stop, they bombed a Mazda dealership!