Intake manifold gasket/ spacer

[Glowmunkey]

Any 2.0l. intake manifold. The Mp3 did not have the shutter valves (thats the only diff. I know of).

Heres a couple of pics. of what I have done....

Groovy, do you happen to have any other manifolds lying around?

 

[BlkZoomZoom]

I only have the original one off the car. No extras. I'm going to be doing an intake and throttlebody for Ehawley soon.....If you can get ahold of an intake, one more would only be another 5hrs... Unless you have the tools and bits to do it.

 

[tddelsol]

what are the shudders for???

 

[Glowmunkey]

I only have the original one off the car. No extras. I'm going to be doing an intake and throttlebody for Ehawley soon.....If you can get ahold of an intake, one more would only be another 5hrs... Unless you have the tools and bits to do it.

We've got a decent die grinder and a few bits, I think we need to buy some more. My dremel is somehow missing right now, but I think there are 2 more in the garage. I'll keep in touch, but normally I like to try this stuff out a bit, I'll see if I can find some extra parts so I don't ruin mine... just in case.

 

[MSP Chris]

Don't know if anyone has air tools around but ingersol and rand (spelling) have an awesome porting set. I can look into getting a part number if need be. By the way those dremel bits are crazy expensive, I'd rather just buy the fitting for my air tools.

 

[Titanium]

I have the spacers, intake manifold and TB spacers, just waiting to install. I had then installed on my old 2.0L probe and you can really tell the difference with the intake manifold spacers. Before the intake manifold spacer the intake mani would get so hot after a run that you couldnt touch the runners but after the spacer it was much much cooler. You could put your hand on the intake manifold and feel that it was just alittle warm. So as far as performance I would say that it helps because at least you dont have to worry about the heat transfer from the head to the intake manifold.

 

[StreakinOraNgeX]

On a probe, they rated the hp increase at around 3 hp. On our msp's do you think it will be higher lower or the same hp increase??

 

[Puckpimp71]

I think it'd be a little bit higher, since we probably have worse heatsoak than the Probe... maybe by 1.5hp, but I think that's on the optimistic side.

 

[mspeed101]

Either way this looks like a good mod for only $100.

 

[Titanium]

Like I said it cant hurt and it is sure to help with at least heat transfer from the head to the intake manifold. In theory, if the charge of air was cooled by an intercooler or a cai but then it went into a intake manifold and that charge of air could get heated back up because of the temp of the intake manifold.

 

[Puckpimp71]

The heat would still radiate from the head to IM but it wouldn't conduct to the IM which will heatsoak an engine faster and leave less time for the radiator to help cool your engine. The air change you're talking about would get heated back up, which is almost impossible to avoid, but it wouldn't be as hot, so I think this is a worth while mod... Kinda disappointed that I don't have $100 laying around for the kit.

 

[TurfBurn]

I"m working on making gaskets (IM gasket first, then TB, then others if requested) for you guys that should cost less than anything else on the market... I"m having materials brought in and I'll be visiting the machine shop to have proto's made on Friday (don't know when I'll get the protos back though). I'm using a better material than phenolic and working off digital prints that I had laser measured to be exactly accurate for a perfect fit!

I'll keep you guys updated if you are interested.

Thanks!

 

[StreakinOraNgeX]

Definitely interested keep us updated man.

 

[TurfBurn]

Well quick bit of background...

We tried some current market spacers on one of our cars and found the fit was terrible. Required a fair amount of dremeling and so forth to get it to fit half decent. Phenolic can be nasty stuff to work on. Also, at the time I don't believe the kit included longer bolts, but it does now which is good to see but our kit will do so as well.

To try and get around those fit issues I went the route of buying a brand new stock gasket and having it laser mapped down to a few thousands of an inch and then we generated solid models of the part from that. Once that was completed we took that to a machine shop we are going to contract to have these parts precision water jet cut. In the time of doing that I found out some of the difficulties of using phenolic and looked into new materials. Ended up finding a polycarbonate polymer that has high enough tensile strength and temperature resistance to be suitable for use in the application. Additionally, it is also 25% more resistant to transfer of heat than the phenolic XX grade that would normally be used by most. This is then going to be water abrasion jet cut by a CNC machine to match our models exactly. From there we are going to be test fitting the first parts, making any necessary adjustments and then selling them from there. I already know what my material costs are, so the remaining cost I need to figure out are the final set of bolts we need and how much our machining services will run us. After I have the I'll be able to come back with a price for you guys. I don't want to estimate now as to where we will come in, but the obvious goal is to provide a better product and still come in reasonably to significantly below the price of existing products on the market.

I'll let you guys know a price range once i get protos in, and then after that I'll give you a final price and an ETA once we have test fit these parts. We hope to/expect to be ready to go in the next 3 weeks as long as lead times at the machine shop are not too long.

Thanks!

Steve
sales@nsnmotorsports.com

 

[MSP Chris]

awesome work man, they still would be reuseable right?

 

[TurfBurn]

Yep they will be reusable, and if cost allows I'll also include an extra stock gasket. I've seen these installed with no gaskets, but I'd personally be more comfortable with a stock gasket on either side... so you could use your old one, plus the spacer plus the new one... but I have to see on the cost. A stock gasket is about 12 bucks.

 

[MSP Chris]

So the stock gaskets are reusable, I mean if the mileage isnt too high.

 

[TurfBurn]

So the stock gaskets are reusable, I mean if the mileage isnt too high.

Yes and no... technically they should be replaced every time you do things. But in some cases the gaskets are in rather good condition and you can get away with it. Additionally, adding in the plastic spacer will cause a different mating and should seal ok with the gasket. Also, that isn't the most critical of gaskets on the car. If it was a head gasket or oil seal I'd say replace it without question even if you only did 100 miles since the last time. But the IM gasket you can probably get away with pretty safely.

But at the same time, if you are in there doing an install on the spacers you'll realize it is not the easiest thing in the world to drop in so you may just want to replace the 12 dollar part rather than risk a leak of some sort. It's all up to you in the end!

Thanks,

Steve
sales@nsnmotorsports.com

 

[TurfBurn]

Dropped off materials and drawings for protos today before lunch. I should have 2-4 gaskets in my hands as soon as the machine shop can cut them out. I'll fit them, make adjustments and then we'll be ready to go. Everything now is just turn around time from the machine shop.

The material that is likely to be our primary gasket has 25% better thermal insulating properties over phenolic. So we will be initially starting with 3/16" spacers, and will offer them cheaper than 1/4" spacers which we can also make per request or may have in stock as well.

Thanks guys!

Steve
sales@nsnmotorsports.com

 

[Puckpimp71]

Any updates???