how do i adjust pedal height?

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

ok, i want to make my brake and gas the same height so i can heel toe better. but i don't know how. i would like to keep the mechanical stops so i don't messup the throttle body. anyone know how this would be done?

 

[Dr.Sound]

longer bolts for the gas

 

[122 Vega]

I have been racing for several years and the pedals in the MSP are the best I have ever experienced stock-wise for heel-toeing. The pedals are the same height when under maximum braking, and that is when you want them to be the same. This car is light and nimble around a road course and the shifting is flawless and smooth.

Try this for awhile, use instead if heel/toe, use the left/right of your gas foot. As long as you don't have tiny feet, you should be able to use both pedals to the max with your right foot. I have even gotten to the point where I can brake and manipulate the gas at the same time to provide throttle oversteer. Not a lot, but some. If I had more power...


I'm not sure why you would want, or need, to modify them. Maybe a video of your technique?

Britt

 

[jroof]

I'm glad this topic came up. I've been wanting to learn how to heel and toe for some time now and don't really know how to start. I have no problem rev matching and I understand the theory but I'm not really sure how to go about learning. I feel like I'm either going to over-break, or steer the car into a curb because I've got no break feel in my right fool. Any suggestions... TIA

 

[rowan]

If you really need to adjust a pedal, only move the accel (by bending it). Don't screw with the brake pedal.

122 Vega is right about the height of the pedals. But that's really only good for circuits. How often do you really do threshold braking on the street .. and that's when the mis-matched height and travel of the pedals gets annoying.

 

[122 Vega]

jroof, you don't normally brake with your right foot? You can do this slowly, just going through the motions. Drive normal, then just trail brake, brake lightly, then tip your ankle to the right, blipping the throttle while keeping your toes on the brake. Get used to the motion first then worry about moving up the maximum braking. I wil;l post a video later,

Britt

 

[t3ase]

I'd like to see that video.. I'm not sure what this "heel-toe" thing is all about.

Sounds like something from the fast & furious...

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

yeah i don't use the full brake pedal travel on the street. thats why it's annoying. i only heel toe on the street and the gas pedal is a little too low. like i endup messing up the turn cuz i brake too much when reaching over to rev match.

for those who don't know what heel toe is, it's when you use your toe to press the brake and your heel to press the gas to raise rpms. use with double clutching to improve rev match efficiency and prolong clutch life.

 

[122 Vega]

Heel toe downshifting is a road racing shifting technique used to match rpms while maintaining the balance of the car. It is done to keep the car in the powerband when entering and exiting a corner. Downshifting is afterall not meant for slowing the car as most people think, it is used for acheiving maximum acceleration out of a corner.

As far as F&F goes, Vin refers to double clutching as a racing technique. It is not used for up shifting...EVER. It is an antiquated method for matching engine and trans rpms in NON SYNCHRONIZED gearboxes. This is generally cars built before @1970. There is no need to double clutch a synch trans. Rev match on downshift yes, double clutch, no. High dollar racing gearboxes like Hewland, Saenz etc do not have synchros so this is required. My new GT3 race car (1974) has a Super T-10 trans and I do not have to double clutch it.

Britt

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

well i heard that if you rev while the clutch is in, it wears the plate. so double clutching would ease wear on the plate. i guess.

 

[jroof]

jroof, you don't normally brake with your right foot? You can do this slowly, just going through the motions. Drive normal, then just trail brake, brake lightly, then tip your ankle to the right, blipping the throttle while keeping your toes on the brake. Get used to the motion first then worry about moving up the maximum braking. I wil;l post a video later,

Britt

Yeah, sorry, I just ment modulating pressure on both pedals. I seem to either brake too hard or give it way too much gas. I guess practice makes perfect.

 

[122 Vega]

Clutch wear is caused when the clutch plate is half engaeged. If adjusted properly, the plate will not have any friction when the pedal is aplied. When it is released, providing it is not slipping, it will not wear either. So double clutching would cause twice the wear of regular shifting. Rev matching reduces wear also by removing the torsional effect of the clutch having to slow the car down.

Britt