Acura TL vs. MS6: An Owner's Comparo

Rainman

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2006 Black Mica MS6 GT + 2007 MS3 (2003.5 Yellow MSP = retired)
The following is an excerpt from a post on a related forum from a new MS6 owner (GreatWhiteNorth) who also drives an Acura TL and a Mazda Miata. An excellent comparo with lots of good information.

R

Greatwhitenorth said:
There's been a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth over the C/D review, where our beloved MS6 lost to a TSX, Accord V6 and Jetta GLI. I haven't driven the GLI or the TSX, but frankly, neither has enough horsepower to get me excited. I also haven't driven the Accord V6, but it's close enough to the Acura TL that I can put my $0.02 in because I own both cars. I got the 6-speed TL just after they were released in '03, and other than a few minor issues, I've loved it. It's comfortable, quiet, luxurious, handsome, nice handling and quick. What's not to love?

I suppose I should mention that my toy summer car is a heavily modified and turbocharged Miata. If the weather is nice, I'll grab the keys to it rather than the TL any day of the week. It's just more visceral, both in its handling qualities and in raw power. The engine, although suffering from some turbo lag (1.6 liter), has an elastic quality to the power band that's VERY entertaining. A little bit of throttle travel give you a lot of usable torque. As we all know, that's the benefit of a turbo. Of course, it's also a convertible

When it came time to replace the wife's car ('93 Audi S4) she wanted to stick with AWD, since winter takes up almost half a calendar year up here. I knew the MS6 was coming out and made a mental note to take it for a test drive. We did and ended up taking it home the very same week. Here's my Cole's Notes on the two:

[1] The TL has the nicer interior, but the MS6 interior isn't bad by any means. Just not as nice in direct comparison.
[2] The MS6 is missing a few amenities that are standard in the TL: dual zone climate control; auto dimming mirror; Homelink; Bluetooth handsfree phone; trip computer, blue LED mood lighting (cooler than it sounds); real aluminum trim, etc.
[3] Seats in the MS6 are more immediately comfortable than in the TL. The tilt/telescoping wheel also makes it easy to find a comfortable driving position. Pedal position allows for easier heel/toe downshifting.
[4] Surprisingly, the Bose stereo (in 2 channel mode at least) is within spitting distance of the highly-regarded 5.1 system in the TL. Sound is clear and has good separation. The sub doesn't go as low, but the mid-bass punch is a little harder. Auto volume levelling is nice and works quite well. Both have in-dash 6 disc changers.
[5] Interior space (focusing on the back seat) is about the same. No appreciable differences in comfort either.
[6] Trunk in the MS6 has much more usable space. Neither have fold-down back seats.
[7] Even though the MS6 has HID lights (low-beam only), the TL produces a better pattern and more even spread of light, particularly directly in front of the car. The TL's lights are bi-xenon, so the high beams are more effective. However, the 3 position height adjustment from the cockpit of the MS6 is very handy when carrying passengers and/or a heavy load of luggage.
[8] The chassis feels equally solid between the two. No creaks or shuddering through the steering column over pot-holed roads (of which we have lots).
[9] The TL is more quiet at high-way speeds. Again, the MS6 isn't particularly noisy, but in a direct comparison the TL feels more hushed, with slightly less wind noise.
[10] The TL has a more refined engine note. The 4-banger in the MS6 isn't rough (in fact, I find it quite vibration-free), but it sounds a little more coarse, especially from outside the car.
[11] I won't comment on the looks, as that's completely subjective. Suffice to say that I like both, but would take the TL to a country club if I wanted to impress the valet parkers.

Now for the driving dynamics:
[1] The MS6 has way more torque anywhere north of 2,500 rpm. Below that, the TL has more. Once on boost, the MS6 is a rocket-ship. They may be fairly close in a straight line (the MS6 tests a few ticks faster to 60 mph), but the low-end torque of the direct-injection turbo 4 kills in the cut-and-thrust of city driving. Even on the highway, passes can be completed without the requirement of a downshift. That wonderful elastic feeling that I love about my Miata is back, but now with more doors and a roof.
[2] The suspension of the MS6 is more buttoned-down (and a little harsher). There's none of the floaty feeling that happens in certain circumstances with the TL. Turn-in is more immediate and there's less understeer under light throttle. In both cars, adding throttle tightens the line (in the MS6 because torque is shifted to the rear and in the TL because the limited slip does its thing). Ultimately, the MS6 feels like a lighter car, even though it's 50 lbs or so heavier.
[3] Steering feel is more natural in the MS6.
[4] The brakes are both very effective: call it a wash: Bigger rotors on the MS6 balanced against 4-piston Brembos on the TL. Both have brake assist, although it's a tad more sensitive in the MS6.
[5] As nice as the gear box is in the TL, the MS6 has it beat. Best description I can give is that it's close to a Miata in its smoothness and snick-snickability. Closer ratios make for more shifting, but I'm not complaining.
[6] The award for most traction in inclement conditions goes to: The Mazda (yeah, huge surprise). Both cars have snow tires all round, but the AWD of the MS6 gives almost ungodly amounts of traction in a straight line. If there's packed snow on the ground, full throttle in first gear is possible
[7] DSC is ever-watchful in either car if the driver does something stupid.

So, what do I choose when I have to go for errands around town? Depends - do I want to feel coddled (TL) or be more involved (MS6). Right now the MS6 seems to be accumulating more mileage than the TL.

P.S. Below are some pics taken at a local high-speed Porsche Club autocross at a local airfield. The TL acquitted itself very well, thank you
 
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It just validates the nature of the MS6 in that it is a vehicle of a different class (than the subcompact rockets, i.e. STi and Evo) that is designed to offer both performance and panache.

R
 
Great review.... Too lazy to look up the price tags.. i think a loaded TL is more than a loaded MS6 though....

I have auto-dim mirror in my MS6... Makes me wonder if he was reviewing the GT or the standard MS6... Because I think the GT comes with a few extra bells that make-up for some missing features the TL has.\\

But I completely agree when he said he'd take the TL to impress... Mazda should have done more sporty bumpers... or something to help this stand out... other than the hood.. and rear FAKE exhausts
 
I'm happy with the MS6. I might have gotten an TL if I could afford it, but here in Ottawa it has a HUGE premium over the MS6 (like, more than 10 grand!!!!).

I recently saw a TL with a ground effects package and it looked BADASS. The TL looks great to begin with, but with the effects package it looked even sicker.

R
 
Rainman said:
I'm happy with the MS6. I might have gotten an TL if I could afford it, but here in Ottawa it has a HUGE premium over the MS6 (like, more than 10 grand!!!!).

I recently saw a TL with a ground effects package and it looked BADASS. The TL looks great to begin with, but with the effects package it looked even sicker.

R
I will have to agree with you on that. The factory ground effects kit is sweet.
 
Rainman said:
I'm happy with the MS6. I might have gotten an TL if I could afford it, but here in Ottawa it has a HUGE premium over the MS6 (like, more than 10 grand!!!!).

That's a big difference. Here we can pick up a TL non-nav for around $32.5K, not much higher than a MS6GT.

I really liked the TL, but couldn't justify owning another FWD car even with the incredible interior of the TL.
 
Thats funny this comes up.

A friend of mine was working out of town and just came home so we met up at his memorial day party. Needless to say he hadnt seen my new ms6 yet and he surprised me with his new 06 TL w/navi.

After driving both i agree almost completely with the write-up. BTW my friend couldnt get over the pull that my ms6 has under acceleration, he loved it.

TL - Refinement, classy interior, decent drivabiltiy
MS6 - Performance, AWD

One thing i dont agree with: Sound, My bose has nothing on the 5.1 sound quality of lows and highs. Im not into heavy bass, but his really pounds alot more then mine when you turn it up.

Both very nice cars in their own ways.

We talked about doing a photoshoot sometime soon.
 
yea i agree...but he got one thing wrong...you can fold down the rear seats...there is a thread on this site for it but im too lazy to find it...and the auto dimming mirror is an option, i have a GT and it didn't come with the dimming mirror
 
AWD6 said:
yea i agree...but he got one thing wrong...you can fold down the rear seats...there is a thread on this site for it but im too lazy to find it...and the auto dimming mirror is an option, i have a GT and it didn't come with the dimming mirror

TL is an entry level luxo car with decent horsepower. The Speed6 is more of a "Performance Focused" car with some luxo options.

Just my humble opinion. (dunno)
 
AWD6 said:
yea i agree...but he got one thing wrong...you can fold down the rear seats...there is a thread on this site for it but im too lazy to find it...and the auto dimming mirror is an option, i have a GT and it didn't come with the dimming mirror

yeah... the rear seats can be folded down with some bit of work on the ms6 ;)

the TL's HID lighting is definately better... if there is no leveling switch, then it has auto leveling! auto leveling is equiped by choice of the auto maker..... they are only required to have manual leveling in the US... auto leveling is required on ALL cars that have HIDs in europe, so in otherwords the mz6 MPS has it!
auto leveling is better (its pretty obvious if you think about it) but is more expensive and adds a tiny bit more weight... but it's pretty much idiot proof and "intuitive"... the driver doesn't have to consider what he has in the back... he can just get in and drive along with 3 big guys in the back and a trunk full of beer! and of course if it was manual leveling, most of the time, your typical american driver will forget the leveling switch even exists and even when he knows it's there, he'll leave the s*** at the highest setting because it's "brighter" (yes it is, but its there to reduce glare when used as intended!)
 
i was looking at both originally also, and my friend ended up with an 04 TL and he paid the same as i did. it is a nice car (too nice for me) and the V6 has some balls, but one of the main reasons i went with the speed6 (besides the awd) was the potential. all the new hondas coming out have so much emissions control its hard to squeeze any more horsepower out of them for a reasonable price. cars that come stock with turbos are always easier to make fast versus those without (especially hondas).
 
I love both cars. It was between a Tl & the MS6 for me. I was actually set on the TL well before the MS6 even entered the equation. I drove a couple MS6s and was hooked. :D
 
PerfectXtreme said:
Great review.... Too lazy to look up the price tags.. i think a loaded TL is more than a loaded MS6 though....

I have auto-dim mirror in my MS6... Makes me wonder if he was reviewing the GT or the standard MS6... Because I think the GT comes with a few extra bells that make-up for some missing features the TL has.\\

But I completely agree when he said he'd take the TL to impress... Mazda should have done more sporty bumpers... or something to help this stand out... other than the hood.. and rear FAKE exhausts
Auto dimming/compass mirror is an option on both MS6s. I have a GT & do not have that mirror. :(
 
Don't have that option too.....Miss the option on my previous car...the IS300 was low and every truck/SUV basically blinds me everywhere from behind...that's when the dimming mirrors does the job well..

Nevertheless...i'm glad I got the heated side mirrors.....

Loved the TL as well...but got a good deal on the speed6 and i love it the moment i test drove the car :D
 
Excellent review. However, I think people who don't have a turbo-charged Miata in their garage might put more emphasis on the road noise, exhaust note, and creature comforts of the TL. With cars so close in features and style (aside from AWD) it really comes down to brand loyalty, price, and first impressions (aka the look). You won't get a Honda/Acura owner to buy a MS6 unless they were aleady in love with the TL but absolutely needed AWD. You won't get a Mazda owner to buy a TL unless impressing clients with a quiet ride and plush feature-filled interior was higher on the list than AWD.

Mazda is a niche market and the MS6 is no exception. It takes your typical luxury sedan, and places more emphasis on driving while making a few sacrifices to keep it affordable. The TL doesn't do anything that would make the driver think this was anything but a luxury sedan. BMW and Audi are in a different market...they do both...and the price reflects that decision.
 
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