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the srt-4 boosting 14.5 psi out the lot damn... if that car was boosting 6psi like our cars that car wouldnt be a 14sec car...that car would be garbage!!!
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...and the saga of the 'Neon' SRT-4 continues....
That's right folks!! Thread #153 and counting (on our MAZDASPEED forum) featuring that sh*tbox Neon! Christ! I would bet that ******* Neon gets damn near more attention here than on a Neon forum.
Let's have a showing of hands of who 'really' cares about Dodge's latest piece of 1/4 mile (whoop de doo) s***!!
Give me a God Damn break!! Oh! And; please take the topic to another forum of members that 'just' might give a ****!
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No.....I didn't stutter.
That's right folks!! Thread #153 and counting (on our MAZDASPEED forum) featuring that sh*tbox Neon! Christ! I would bet that ******* Neon gets damn near more attention here than on a Neon forum.
Let's have a showing of hands of who 'really' cares about Dodge's latest piece of 1/4 mile (whoop de doo) s***!!
Give me a God Damn break!! Oh! And; please take the topic to another forum of members that 'just' might give a ****!
(chair) (chair) (chair)
No.....I didn't stutter.
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nattyboy513
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- 2003 spicy orange MSP
i hate it too greg... i just dont get how people even compare the two
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1st MP3 in NH said:
Let me summarize: Neon SRT-R = (pukey)
...and the saga of the 'Neon' SRT-4 continues....
That's right folks!! Thread #153 and counting (on our MAZDASPEED forum) featuring that sh*tbox Neon! Christ! I would bet that ******* Neon gets damn near more attention here than on a Neon forum.
Let's have a showing of hands of who 'really' cares about Dodge's latest piece of 1/4 mile (whoop de doo) s***!!
Give me a God Damn break!! Oh! And; please take the topic to another forum of members that 'just' might give a ****!
No.....I didn't stutter.
I got whooped the other day by one in my stock s2000
There FAAAASSST
There FAAAASSST
according to R&D I think the s2k runs a 14.1 in the 1/4 and 0-60mph in 5.6 sec....so the srt4 is a fuggin beast
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Problem is with many of you.......your hung up on 1/4 mile.....
The MAZDASPEED is (and this has been said 1,000 times) a complete package based on an already attractive sedan. Whereas; the Neon SRT-4 is a hot rod based on an ugly sedan.
BIG DEAL - typical mentality of so many people, including many rednecks. But hey! You also have NASCAR to look forward to. Yes Dale,,,,,,push the gas,,,,turn left,,,,push the gas,,,,,turn left...... (pukey)
The MAZDASPEED is (and this has been said 1,000 times) a complete package based on an already attractive sedan. Whereas; the Neon SRT-4 is a hot rod based on an ugly sedan.
BIG DEAL - typical mentality of so many people, including many rednecks. But hey! You also have NASCAR to look forward to. Yes Dale,,,,,,push the gas,,,,turn left,,,,push the gas,,,,,turn left...... (pukey)
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DistantTea
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- Mazdaspeed... of DOOM!
I don't mind the compairison... because I get to race one every Sunday for the entire year. First race is March 30th. The screampop verses tweetybird in SCCA D stock autocross... power verses handling... ugliness verses blatently offensive orange paint...
Its going to be a great season.
Until the Type Rs show up and piss on us both.
Its going to be a great season.
Until the Type Rs show up and piss on us both.
I really even hate to get into this, but have any of you ever seen a racetrack that did not have a straight section?? Yea, I know the MSP's are a benchmark car as far as handling goes, but the brute power cars can catch the underpowered well handling cars in the straights, it happens all the time. Funny thing is, I have never seen a finish line in the curves of a racetrack!!
As a matter of fact, there is a comparison between the two, they are in direct competition with each other!! They are both going after the same market, age group, etc... Yea, there are some trade offs for each car. Looks wise, I personally would rather have the Pro, for raw power, I would rather have the Neon. Each person will have their own reasons for buying one or the other. For those idiots that like to street race, maybe the Neon owners will get some cool license plates, because you'll be seeing a lot of them.
peace
Griff
P.S. In AGR#7 defense, this IS the wrong forum for Neon talk, just because you own an MSP does not mean all your posts go in that particular forum, this should have been OFF TOPIC!!
As a matter of fact, there is a comparison between the two, they are in direct competition with each other!! They are both going after the same market, age group, etc... Yea, there are some trade offs for each car. Looks wise, I personally would rather have the Pro, for raw power, I would rather have the Neon. Each person will have their own reasons for buying one or the other. For those idiots that like to street race, maybe the Neon owners will get some cool license plates, because you'll be seeing a lot of them.
peace
Griff
P.S. In AGR#7 defense, this IS the wrong forum for Neon talk, just because you own an MSP does not mean all your posts go in that particular forum, this should have been OFF TOPIC!!
AGR#7 said:
The neon with $1500 in brake and suspension will destroy the MSP in the twisties and you could never match it power with less then twice that!
Its reality not a Mustang mentality.
The real problem is too many people have the ricer mentality that a slight advantage in cornering can allow them to best a car with 50% more power and the same weight.
Street KingFD
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1st of all $1500.00 I don't think could buy a good brake upgrade kit for the Srt-4 well at least the ones for my FD go for around $2500.00. Also the Srt would have to upgrade suspension companents and upgrade to an LSD also. All of which is already more than adaquateon the MSP. MSP could benefit greatly by throwing that cash to bolt on's and could be about on the same level of the Srt. Srt will be very popular here in America because America has a niche for just 1/4 car's. Yes I do like the Srt and I do love the MSP. I think Mazda tries more to input the "smile" factor in their product than dodge. Who knows how long that Srt will last with almost 15 psi daily. I don't know what the internals can handle so I can't be positive on that mark. No need for all the hostility. I can admit when another car is faster and the Srt will be any day of the week but truely and deeply I believe the MSP is a better track car.
Also what I heard on the rumor side is that the Srt's being sold right now are pre=production models at least they are selling 1000 pre pro. models. In mid July I believe the de-tuned Srt's will be sold. That's just rumor.
Also what I heard on the rumor side is that the Srt's being sold right now are pre=production models at least they are selling 1000 pre pro. models. In mid July I believe the de-tuned Srt's will be sold. That's just rumor.
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too bad dodge had to join the bandwagon after they saw how great the imports were going. next up, we'll see a ******* kia tuned to the effects of a turbo! SOMEONE PLEASE! go tell the americans that they CANT produce what the Japs can! I mean, the us has some decent cars, but look- where have the skyline, supra, mp3, mazdaspeed, evo come from?
I'll take my Mp3 anyday over that oval yellow s*** that is "fast"
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I'll take my Mp3 anyday over that oval yellow s*** that is "fast"
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Well your right I should be slapped becuase the neo stops in better time then the MSP! so not even any money needed there add to that the MSP barely bested it in handling and then the need of the suspension upgrades are all but gone.
Another fun fact, the MSP engine can not sustain the torque levels of the Neon the clutch definitly needs to go and possiby the tranny. The engione on the MSP has been classified no stronger then 225 hp. The only Protege even close to the neons perfomance is Terry and he has possibly the most sophisticated turbo setup of any protege owner and he runs a much better turbo for it then the T25.
Another fun fact, the MSP engine can not sustain the torque levels of the Neon the clutch definitly needs to go and possiby the tranny. The engione on the MSP has been classified no stronger then 225 hp. The only Protege even close to the neons perfomance is Terry and he has possibly the most sophisticated turbo setup of any protege owner and he runs a much better turbo for it then the T25.
Red99Xtreme
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My Roommate is a Mazda owner and has peaked my interest into your Board....While is seems some of the MSP Owners are informed about the competition it seems Many of you are Mis-informed about what the SRT-4 Neon is capable of....Here is some performance Data:
MSP.....
Performance
Acceleration
0-30 mph : 2.8 sec.
0-60 mph : 7.6 sec.
30-50 mph : 2.9 sec
50-70 mph : 4.1 sec.
Quarter-Mile Time @ Speed : 15.5 sec. @ 89.4 mph
Handling
Lateral Grip (200ft skidpad) : 0.89g
Slalom Speed (700ft slalom) : 70.3 mph
Braking
60-0 Stopping Distance : 123 ft (no ABS)
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SRT-4......
Performance
Acceleration
0-30 mph : 2.5 sec.
0-60 mph : 5.8 sec.
30-50 mph : 2.0 sec.
50-70 mph : 3.0 sec.
Quarter Mile : 14.2 sec. @ 99.5 mph
Handling
Lateral grip (200ft skidpad) : .85 g
Slalom (700 ft. six cone) : 69.0 mph
Braking
60-0 stopping distance :119 ft.
"Out on the track in the Dodge Neon SRT-4, we found even more surprises. With fully upgraded suspension and brakes, the SRT-4 behaves like no other Neon we've ever driven, which is saying a lot considering the very competent Neon ACR we tested a few years back. Compared to the ACR, this SRT-4 is a lot tighter, and of course has got some more hoofs under the hood. " Quoted from Motor Week
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When you look at the Data above.....Lets compare, The two ares are almost even thru the Slalom, yes the MSP has a 1.3mph advantage, but when you consider the Neons Exit Speed in a Track Situation, the MSP will be overtaken. Skid Pad data is close as well .85Gs for the Neon and .89Gs for the MSP, both cars are almost a Match in Cornering Abilities.(Do not try and argue this Fact it is here in Black and White, the MSP has a SLIGHT advantage....Which the SRT will easily surpass with a Flick of the Throttle) Now both cars are Good in there own Right. Neons arent for everyone, nor the MSP. Both cars are in the EXACT same Price range, which would you choose if power and handling where your only Concern....NOT looks?
The choice is rather obvious here. The SRT is not a Slouch in a Straight Line Nor Corners. So next time you try and argue the MSP will out corner a Neon Hands down. It won't. The MSP does have a SLIGHT advantage, but not much and as you can see. Braking is the final Factor, now this a rather unfair Comparison as the Neon has ABS and the MSP does not, so its ability to Late brake into a Corner cant be compared.
Take what you will from this I just want to shed a little light on the Subject for those Mis-Informed about the SRT's handling. As it is a car NONE of us have Driven but the Data Stands for itself.
Cheers,
Mike
'88 CRX "Track Car"
'99 S-10 Xtreme
MSP.....
Performance
Acceleration
0-30 mph : 2.8 sec.
0-60 mph : 7.6 sec.
30-50 mph : 2.9 sec
50-70 mph : 4.1 sec.
Quarter-Mile Time @ Speed : 15.5 sec. @ 89.4 mph
Handling
Lateral Grip (200ft skidpad) : 0.89g
Slalom Speed (700ft slalom) : 70.3 mph
Braking
60-0 Stopping Distance : 123 ft (no ABS)
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SRT-4......
Performance
Acceleration
0-30 mph : 2.5 sec.
0-60 mph : 5.8 sec.
30-50 mph : 2.0 sec.
50-70 mph : 3.0 sec.
Quarter Mile : 14.2 sec. @ 99.5 mph
Handling
Lateral grip (200ft skidpad) : .85 g
Slalom (700 ft. six cone) : 69.0 mph
Braking
60-0 stopping distance :119 ft.
"Out on the track in the Dodge Neon SRT-4, we found even more surprises. With fully upgraded suspension and brakes, the SRT-4 behaves like no other Neon we've ever driven, which is saying a lot considering the very competent Neon ACR we tested a few years back. Compared to the ACR, this SRT-4 is a lot tighter, and of course has got some more hoofs under the hood. " Quoted from Motor Week
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When you look at the Data above.....Lets compare, The two ares are almost even thru the Slalom, yes the MSP has a 1.3mph advantage, but when you consider the Neons Exit Speed in a Track Situation, the MSP will be overtaken. Skid Pad data is close as well .85Gs for the Neon and .89Gs for the MSP, both cars are almost a Match in Cornering Abilities.(Do not try and argue this Fact it is here in Black and White, the MSP has a SLIGHT advantage....Which the SRT will easily surpass with a Flick of the Throttle) Now both cars are Good in there own Right. Neons arent for everyone, nor the MSP. Both cars are in the EXACT same Price range, which would you choose if power and handling where your only Concern....NOT looks?
The choice is rather obvious here. The SRT is not a Slouch in a Straight Line Nor Corners. So next time you try and argue the MSP will out corner a Neon Hands down. It won't. The MSP does have a SLIGHT advantage, but not much and as you can see. Braking is the final Factor, now this a rather unfair Comparison as the Neon has ABS and the MSP does not, so its ability to Late brake into a Corner cant be compared.
Take what you will from this I just want to shed a little light on the Subject for those Mis-Informed about the SRT's handling. As it is a car NONE of us have Driven but the Data Stands for itself.
Cheers,
Mike
'88 CRX "Track Car"
'99 S-10 Xtreme
