Why can't I heel toe

[JC-MP5]

i just like heel toe because when you got an exhaust on your car it sounds nice

I lol'd.

 

[carbosam]

wtf is that heel toe thing?

 

[JC-MP5]

Observe the downshifts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMur6TPkrM

 

[gogogomoveit]

I wear 9.5 shoe and I have a terrible time trying to heel toe in my '10 MS3. Maybe i need to install an aftermarket gas pedal just to reduce that gap between.

 

[JC-MP5]

Or just adapt to it like a good driver would...

Why do people always want the car to make it easier for them? Every time the heel toe topic comes up...

 

[gogogomoveit]

Or just adapt to it like a good driver would...

Why do people always want the car to make it easier for them? Every time the heel toe topic comes up...

Actually I ended up changing the style of my heel-toe movement. In my previous Integra GS-R, I pivot and blip the throttle with my heel. Now in the MS3, I roll and use the side of my foot to blip.

 

[JC-MP5]

Yup. Same with the P5. The pedals are so close, all you have to do is roll your foot over.

 

[slashsnake]

Actually I ended up changing the style of my heel-toe movement. In my previous Integra GS-R, I pivot and blip the throttle with my heel. Now in the MS3, I roll and use the side of my foot to blip.

That's what I have found works best. Made the same exact transition between the same two cars, had Teggy GS-R also...

 

[8.5MS3]

there was a speed3 in 2004?

 

[Saskatchewan17]

there was a speed3 in 2004?

The 3 and MS3 section used to be 1. So essentially this used to be the 3 only section, then it was split off and old threads were left here I guess.

 

[shuura]

forgive me for not understanding, but what's the benefit of this driving style? Any practical uses in daily driving?

 

[robin2660]

forgive me for not understanding, but what's the benefit of this driving style? Any practical uses in daily driving?

Rev matching for downshifting so you put less stress on your drivetrain.

No use in DD.

 

[8.5MS3]

^^I wouldnt say no use^^

I always rev match when downshifting in daily driving, rarely do i heel-toe tho

 

[MS3Buckeye]

Here's one for the n00bs

forgive me for not understanding, but what's the benefit of this driving style? Any practical uses in daily driving?

When you shift, the wheels and engine will no longer be rotating at the same ratio, because you are changing ratios by shifting. When you shift up, the ratio of rotational speed between the engine and the wheels drops. This is why when you shift up, RPMs go down. Usually the RPMs fall to the right speed in the time it takes to make the shift. If you shift up faster, you get a jerky shift because as the clutch engages, the engine is slowed down and the car is sped up in relation to each other.

Now, when you shift DOWN, the opposite needs to happen. The engine is going to need to be at a HIGHER RPM. You can either shift down, let the clutch out, get a large jerk as your clutch is beaten down, or you can rev-match. Rev-matching involves blipping the throttle while the clutch is in so that the RPMs rise to what they will need to be when you let the clutch out. Then you let the clutch out and get a smooth shift.

Heel toe braking involves doing a rev-matched down shift while braking. This means the left foot operates the clutch while the right both breaks and blips the throttle.

 

[ohioan]

Wow ^ Good explaining going on there!

I'll never heel toe.

 

[gogogomoveit]

That's what I have found works best. Made the same exact transition between the same two cars, had Teggy GS-R also...

Good man.

I can get away driving with no heel toe at all. But at least a stick shift driver should know how to double clutch, IMHO.

 

[shuura]

Rev matching for downshifting so you put less stress on your drivetrain.

No use in DD.

When you shift, the wheels and engine will no longer be rotating at the same ratio, because you are changing ratios by shifting. When you shift up, the ratio of rotational speed between the engine and the wheels drops. This is why when you shift up, RPMs go down. Usually the RPMs fall to the right speed in the time it takes to make the shift. If you shift up faster, you get a jerky shift because as the clutch engages, the engine is slowed down and the car is sped up in relation to each other.

Now, when you shift DOWN, the opposite needs to happen. The engine is going to need to be at a HIGHER RPM. You can either shift down, let the clutch out, get a large jerk as your clutch is beaten down, or you can rev-match. Rev-matching involves blipping the throttle while the clutch is in so that the RPMs rise to what they will need to be when you let the clutch out. Then you let the clutch out and get a smooth shift.

Heel toe braking involves doing a rev-matched down shift while braking. This means the left foot operates the clutch while the right both breaks and blips the throttle.

amazing responses!!! Thanx for explaining!!

 

[H3br3w_Ham3r]

Wow ^ Good explaining going on there!

I'll never heel toe.

Then you'll never be a fast road course driver

 

[Saskatchewan17]

Helps you rev-match downshift so you're in the right gear heading into a corner. Good for protected right handers, or when you feel like playing speed racer.

 

[MSP300]

im surprised i haven't seen any left foot breaking threads yet