Who has the fasted NA Protege?
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Paul Ruebens
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nah, the AWD will sap all of the power out of the motor. It would be great for launching hard but thats about it. I bet it's no faster than a stock msp.
Ya, with the same amount of power, a FWD car will be faster than both a RWD and AWD car(all other things being equal) because of powertrain losses. Example, BP Proteges have 125hp, while early BP Miatas had 128. Most BP Proteges baseline at 107-110, while Miatas baseline at 100-105, even though they have a few more flywheel hp. An AWD BP Protege would probably put down 95whp.
Yeah, for an N/A application i'd be completely fruitless. I was out in the rain trying to figure out where I can take more weight out.
No, its not 40hp..Its a very minimal difference to be honest. At the ground its maybe 10-15..
twilightprotege
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i dont think the 1/4 time will be any slower or quicker in fwd car - dont forget we suck at putting power to the ground. you'd probably find that the 1/4 mile times are the same, just that fwd's have a faster trap speed (i guess)
Paul Ruebens
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they claim 170hp on the FS-ZE, but that number is not relaible....look at how they claim 130hp on the FS-DE and it only puts out about 95-100whp. 30% drivetrain loss on a FWD does NOT happen.
yeah, its 18% drivetrain loss roughly..It's 163 at the crank on the FS-ZE..but even that, i don't really believe..Realisitically its a little faster than an MP3..not saying much..
twilightprotege
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130hp at the engine and 100whp is not 30% loss - it's about 23%. 100 is 77% of 130
dude, they are NOT spec'd at 170hp..They are 163 exactly at the crank..I'm pretty sure drivetrain loss is 18%..AWD should be about 23-24%..Take that motor, put it into a FF sedan..Its not as fast and powerful as everyone thinks it is..Right now, I'd take on a FS-ZE in a sedan or p5....With all the crazy crap i've thought up for my car..(bigger valves and angle job, higher compression, custom valve springs, custom intake manifold, forged internals, full stand-alone, etc. etc) all that stuff..MAYBE yields 150-160whp..I'm going to break 200whp..one way or another..A form of boost is in order..whether it be turbo, charger, or crack..I'm going to break 200whp..
SpicyMchaggis said:
Thanks for that, the only specs I have seen (http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/15009/) spec the fs-ze at 125kw or 170hp at the crank. Who measured the 163?
I have to comend you on reaching 150ish whp with the engine you guys get in the US (stanadard at about 100whp??), bet that cost a dollar or two.
As for the fs-ze not being amazingly powerful, I agree 100% though I have to say I can keep pace with my mate in his vtec civic which are definetely not shabby when it comes to power.
Math tricks eh? You're right that 100 is 77% of 130, but that's not the important number. 100 is exactly 30% less than 130. Two different numbers, don't divide the 130 into 100. 130% of 100 is 130. 30% more. 130 divided by 1.3 is 100. 30% less. If you had 130hp from the factory, and got 100whp, 30% drivetrain loss. The math is besides Spiceys point. He's saying that Mazda tends to overrate their engines, and the FS and FS-ZE never actually made the numbers the factory claimed. 15-18% is normal drivetrain loss, so if they dyno at 100whp, they're really making 118 from the factory. Not the 130 Mazda claimed. They SHOULD be baselining at 110whp. Which is around what BPs baseline at. 105-110, even though they were rated at 125hp. Maybe Mazda was embarassed that their 2.0 engine made less than their 1.8 and rated it higher?twilightprotege said:
twilightprotege
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yeah sorta maths tricks, yes 130 is 130% of 100, but since we're talking about loss, you cant talk about loss in terms of 100whp because that's the final figure. you dont loose anything from it. you're loosing 30 from 130, and that's 23% loss
fyi guys - a good way to convert at the crank power to wheel power is convert the crank hp into kw. what the engine makes in kw is the same figure as what it should make at the wheels. ie the aussie p5 makes 98kw (apparently). it should put out 98whp
fyi guys - a good way to convert at the crank power to wheel power is convert the crank hp into kw. what the engine makes in kw is the same figure as what it should make at the wheels. ie the aussie p5 makes 98kw (apparently). it should put out 98whp
Wow, I was really determined to break 200hp back then..Silly bastard.
65racecoupe
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scorch70 said:Noooooo!! Dont do it Spicy! We need all the N/A guys to stay with it. Don't go the easy route. Dont be tempted by the whisperings of the FI crowd - "get a turbo, it will make you a better lover" or "give up on N/A, those guys are a bunch of losers."
Back on topic, I havent had a chance to get to the local dragstrip yet. Sort of chicken, since I have never drag raced. Been there to watch a number of times, but not raced yet. Soon.
scorch70
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Get a TURBO, it will make you a better lover.
Give up on N/A, those N/A guys are a bunch of losers.
Hey, scorch said it. (wow)
A real ? to those of you who have a fast NA car -
How is the driveability, idle, etc, compared to stock? Just curious.
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