whats up with the 4cyl and V8 bashing?????????

[<calcarguy>]

I have just come on this forum for the first time to take a look. I think the MP3 is a very cool, well thought out, and clean looking vehicle. It comes from the factory already setup very well. A little down on power, but thats whats fun about adding performance. I just wanted to see what was being offered for this car and stumbled upon some really ridiculous threads in your performance forum. People on this site bashing V8s and other idiots bashing 4cyl cars.....well read for yourself..IE.
http://www.protegemp3.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000039
http://www.protegemp3.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000052

Its very sad to see that there are so many uninformed people out there. Not only the idiots bashing the MP3, but some of the registered members replys were idiotic as well.

Both V8, 4, and 6 cylinder cars have there place in the automotive market. Ridiculous claims that a 4cyl will never make reliable 200whp and that Mustangs and Camaros don't handle or win anything, is just plain stupid.

First off to the unregistered idiots who flame 4cyl owners. I guess one stated that 200whp is not viable for a NA 4cyl car....can you say Honda S2000?
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And to ChrisF's quote

"Speaking of racing, why are Camaro's only in drag racing??? Oh ,wait I forgot the poke around in Grand Am Racing too...

Mustangs are in some road racing series, but they aren't that competitve...

So, if they handle so well, why don't they win??"
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Well first off Chris, Camaros and Mustangs don't run in Grand Am? Its called Trans Am or Trans American you idiot. Tommy Kendal cleaned up in a Mustang for many years. Panoz cars run a 351Windsor small block in GT competition and never lose. Thats a Ford motor by the way.

Camaros have never had a ton of GMs backing in motorsports in General. GM really backed off in the late eighties. When Camaros do run in there correct classes they do very well.

Mustangs don't handle? Well Car & Drivers street driven handling champion is a $3000.00 100k mi+ 5.0 Fox Chassis Mustang that had only about $2500.00 invested in it. This car still holds skid pad and slolom records in more than just C&D. This car beat out a Viper, Ferrari and a few other really expensive and great handling cars.

So nobody gets upset, I really do like the MP3. It just sucks when uneducated people bash somthing they dont even know about.

By the way, if you need a TURBO, you may want to contact Aerocharger. They make a real nice self lubricated turbo, and Jim may be willing to build one for the MP3.

Good luck and let the bashing on my thread begin...


Props to the guy who calls himself SECTION8. He understands all autos, and knows how to handle himself correctly.

 

[Newf]

Well said. I'll leave it at that.

 

[<keep your site nice.>]

bump

 

[MazdaMP]

lol!
however, the thing with the turbo sounds interesting....
*did i bash on the topic *

 

[<calcarguy>]

Originally posted by MazdaMP:
<STRONG>*did i bash on the topic *</STRONG>

The people who bash know who they are. I hate to post like this, I just think a new site with new members needs to make a good name for themselves. Just because some A-hole gets on this site and bashes a MP3 or any 4 banger for that matter, doesnt mean the registered people should stoop to that level. If they do decide to bash back they better know WTF they are talking about, unlike in the case of the registered member CHRISF, and a few others. Its fun to rip somtimes, just make sure you do your homework before the ripping begins. There are a lot of great auto forums out there, and even more crappy ones. This is just from sombody passing through. Like I said I think the MP3 is really cool and has a ton of aftermarket potential; but a site with tons of bashing on it will never get sponsors, or a good, educated following.....

Just my .02

 

[70]

calcarguy:

First off get the name right...And don't call me an idiot if you've never scene a damn Gran Am race, maybe you should. In one of the slower classes there are full race bodied Camaro's...Yes, Camaros are in Trans Am as well, but they do race in the Grand American series (yes, that's what it is called. It's based off of older ACO rules). I'm not sure what class they are in because I don't follow Grand Am, I like the ALMS more. Unless they are one in the same(Grand AM and Trans AM), which they aren't, or they just happen to run races at the exact same time on the same track, which isn't happening either.

And I know what Panoz is and what they race. And what motors they use, power plant and chassis design are two seperate things. I never questioned the reliability of the a Ford product.

And if the Mustang was so damn competetive, why did Saleen make their own race car to compete on the world level??

It's obvious you failed to see what I was getting at in that post, and your sure as hell aren't getting an explanation when you come here and call me an idiot.

 

[70]

Just to show everyone I have done my homework...Look at this, what is it?? A Camaro..And, oh my god, its Gran Am...

http://www.grand-am.com/teams/team_11_hamiltonsafe.html

But, I'm just an idiot....Dont' rip on me when YOU haven't done YOUR homework...

 

[70]

These are some results from the last Grand Am race of the season. The results are posted here http://speedvision01.e-media.com/pub/articles/racing/06road/011103a.html on Speedvisions web-site.

Look at what cars came in 38, 39 and 44 place out of a field of 45. Those damn Camaros again...So much for "no Camaros in GRAND AM racing", eh, calcarguy?

And, am I stooping to calling you names when you are wrong?? No, I don't see it here. And, is it bashing when your pointing something out, like certain facts or opinions? Just wondering...

[ 11-05-2001: Message edited by: ChrisS ]

 

[<calcarguy>]

Hey what can I say Chris F, oh I mean Chris S. I dont know my Grand Am. What can I say? You are still incorrect on how competitive Camaros are in racing. In the results you posted the only car that beat the Camaros was a couple of Corvettes????? That is rankning for more than one class; learn to read. The class that Camaros run in is the AGT. Hmmmm, looks like they do pretty good. So you still have not showed me that the Camaros and Mustangs are not competitive in their respected classes against similar cars. Sorry but the Porsches etc run a different catagory. So I still dont see your point. By the way the first place AGT car came in 10th, oh and it happens to be an American V8.Hmmmm, good homework guy. Type in Grand Am on Goggle or whatever the hell you use and it pulls up your link to Speedvision news or should I say your ridiculous attempt to show me up. Any idiot can do a search and act like they are some kind of guru on a subject.

Your comment on the Saleen World Chanlenge car: World chalenge cars in general dont share anything with their street driven counterparts. That Saleen car is about as much Mustang as a Honda. When was the last time you saw a Carbon Fiber bodied, Mustang on the street?

So instead of your comments "just to show everyone I did my homework" why dont you try to keep this site nice and stop the bashing and arguing. Dont bring a knife to a gun fight, you will always lose. You are just going to keep making yourself look like a fool. I would stop while you are ahead, and keep your already tarnished statis on this site the way it is....

 

[70]

Well calgonguy,

The way the Camaro was being louded as the greatest sports car ever on the last post from where you mis-quoted me, the V-8 lovers made it sound like it would beat anything on the road. And so, if it is such a great street car, it would obviously be a great race car right?? So if it was such a great race car, being in a slower class wouldn't mean anything in Grand Am...Cars that are in a slower class have repeatedly finished higher in races, often beating out "faster" cars. That's what I was getting at you moron.

And I go to Speedvision's web-site on a daily basis because it's the easist place to find out what's going on in motorsports. I didn't have to do a search to find those results, when you go there on a regular basis, you know what's going on. You are real idiot if you think you know what you talking about.

And the any car that races in the 24 Hours of Le Mans has homolagation rules it has to follow. What does that mean? Well, since the Saleen/Speedlab Mustand SR Widebody was in the GTS class, that means it shares quite a bit with the roadcar, power plant, being one of them. And, now the S7-R has a complete street version as well, to follow those rules.

As far as bashing the Camaro and Mustang, I was simply showing that although they are good cars, they just aren't as great as the 4 cylinder bashers were making them out to be.

So, since you obviously can't understand what I'm saying or getting at on this whole subject, it is worthless to attempt to expalin anything else..

[ 11-06-2001: Message edited by: ChrisS ]

 

[00BlackCelicaGTS]

its just a clash of opinions, people are like that. and its what they have, so they think they are protecting themselves by lashing out against anything different