What's the big deal about nipples?

[goldstar]

You're missing the whole point. The point is that nipples arn't necessarily a big deal one way or the other. I don't care if people show their asses or whatever. It's the people who get all offended and hyper about these things that draw all the attention and make people (especially kids) think that something big deal is going on. Personally I do think I have the mature adult attitude about this subject in that I can handle seeing a naked body part without going all off. Unlike the Attorney General who can't even look at a statue of Justice without getting all freaked out.

EDIT: Personally I am more offended by your avatar that implies that the act of killing someone is a joke.

Once again pingdum you are using your usual techniques of misrepresentation and distortion to attempt to make a point. Atty. Gen. Ashcroft did not cover the statue in Justice because he found statuary nudity personally offensive, but because he knew that TV reporters frequent that area and interview officials there quite frequently. As such, the nude statue could possibly serve as background on TV broadcasts and believing that many viewers might find this offensive, he ordered it to be covered. While Ashcroft was trying to be sensitive to the legitimate concerns of some of his fellow Americans, you choose to put an absurdist construction on Ashcroft's actions so that you can portray him as a right-wing, conservative, bible-driven freak who wants to take away not only our liberties but our "constitutional" right to see bare breasts exposed in public. On the other hand, if you truly believe that Ashcroft's motivation was due to his loathing of viewing naked statues then, as I've said in another context, I believe you to have a truly paranoid view of the world which tends to marginalize your viewpoints and opinions.

There is, of course, nothing inherently wrong with exposing one's breast or looking at naked breasts. What was wrong with the Janet Jackson fiasco was where and why she did it, not the exposure itself. Despite your dislike of football, the Super Bowl event is advertised and expected to be run as a family-oriented event suitable for the general American public to view. The NFL encourages women and children to spectate as well as sports fans.

A second problem with what Jackson did is that it represents just another example of the commercialization of sex-exposing your tit so that you can increase your new album sales. Very admirable. If you can't inherently see why both men and women objected to this, I'm sure I'll never find words to explain. Many women resent being objectified and no mother who was watching wanted her child to be exposed to a gratuitous sexual display. I was watching the Super Bowl with my teenage son and my wife and although he is too old to be shocked by nudity, what his parents object to and resent is the message that was being sent, not the image of the breast itself.

Like you, I don't want my freedom of action abridged because of the needs of children. However, as a society, we all have some responsibility in protecting children from its more negative aspects. As a parent, I have always tried to inculcate in my son a set of moral and ethical values that, yes, both I and his mother believe in. Jackson's episode just doesn't fit in with that.

I'm glad that you're mature enough to see a naked body part without "going all off." I think most of us on the Forum feel the same way. The point is, not that there is anything wrong with nudity or sexuality but rather the appropriateness of when to partake of it.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that I am trying to convince you of my viewpoint. I recognize that you and I have radically different assumptions about the nature of the world, the nature of people and the relationship of people to each other. Therefore, we have no common basis for discussion. I am only expressing my opinion here which I do from time to time when I come across a post I find totally outrageous.

02 DX Millenium Red

 

[Replica]

I like nipples.

 

[norman]

One thing here Pingdum, I believe that I said in your previous thread that allthough Janet's actions were inapropriate, I was more offended by the entire performance. The person (for lack of a better term) who kept grabbing his crotch was most offensive.

And 1st MP3, I couldn't agree with your post and responses any more. Performers today aren't about talent, they are about shock value. I say bring back the musical artists and leave the rest to having to work a real job to live.

 

[pingdum]

Atty. Gen. Ashcroft did not cover the statue in Justice because he found statuary nudity personally offensive, but because he knew that TV reporters frequent that area and interview officials there quite frequently. As such, the nude statue could possibly serve as background on TV broadcasts and believing that many viewers might find this offensive, he ordered it to be covered. While Ashcroft was trying to be sensitive to the legitimate concerns of some of his fellow Americans, you choose to put an absurdist construction on Ashcroft's actions so that you can portray him as a right-wing, conservative, bible-driven freak who wants to take away not only our liberties but our "constitutional" right to see bare breasts exposed in public.

So the fact that Ashcroft was not personally offended, yet covered it up so other right-wing, bible-toting, sexually repressed people who can't handle the sight of a statue breast won't get offended makes it OK? Why are their concerns legitimate as compared to my concerns that it's not Governments job to legislate morality?

And just because the Super-Bowl is marketed as a family event doesn't make it one. Movies like Badboys and Lethal Weapon are marketed as family entertainment yet I find them highly offensive and would never let my son watch such films. Yet I don't sue the makers of those movies when he sees a trailer for one while we're waiting to see Spirited Away even though Will Smith is up there joking about how great it is that they just killed everybody in sight.

 

[velokid]

I've already stated I did not see the dance. But that is not what this disscussion or the national uproar is about. It's all about the nipple.

You couldn't get it more wrong. It's about the CONTEXT. You want nips and groping? Flip it over to SkineMax, HBO, or pay per view. Better yet, go rent a movie that has the action you're looking for. Ratings systems exist for a reason - so when you go to watch a movie or TV show, or buy a game, you know what to expect. If the halftime show was broadcast at 11 pm and was billed as "A smorgasboard of questionable talent engaged in sexual simulations" well then that's something else entirely. But it was prime-time TV on the most watched event of the year. Have you ever thought about why NYPD Blue doesn't air at 7 or 8 pm? Or why Sex in the City isn't part of NBC's lineup?

I watched the SuperBowl in hopes of seeing a decent game and clever commercials, not the flesh of a washed-up, sexed up, surgically enhanced 40-year old pop star. CBS/MTV/Janet&Justin violated the audience's expectations.

 

[enry]

get a dictionary and learn some grammer

Please, if you are going to preach to the choir, at least make sure you read the book properly.

Also, if I may interject.. and this goes to everyone, not pingdum specifically...

This is a free world. By imposing limits of what is or is not acceptable on this site, we are not limiting your right to express yourself and/or your beliefs nor are we 'freaking out' or making 'a big deal' about anything. You have a choice. If you want to see or trade nipples or other pornographic materials, I freely invite you to do so, on another online community where that type of content is deemed acceptable. If instead you want to visit THIS particular community, subject to its acceptable content, I equally freely invite you to do so. But the rules are there for a reason, and won't change simply because you personally disagree.

I have porn. I download and share it with others... but I ONLY do so on boards where it is deemed appropriate, and even then, only in the specific forums where it is permitted. If I were to post elsewhere, my post would be probably deleted. If I persisted, I'd get banned. If I posted porn in my avatar, it would get removed. And I would not go up in arms and complain that people are making "a big deal" about "a little nipple". Why? Because the forum rules specifically say so. But more importantly, because I understand that the community I joined is there for the good of EVERYONE, not just for my personal benefit. So although I personally loooove asian porn, I understand that others may not, and I don't throw it in their face out of context and expect them to think the same way I do.

Please don't misunderstand my post. This is not a discussion. I am not posting this because I want to hear anyone's feedback about how porn on this server should be allowed, and such. I consider the topic closed. Let me re-iterate: There will not be any porn on this forum, ever, so if that's a problem with you, I freely invite you to choose option #1 above.

If anyone is thinking of replying to my post to explain to me how much of a socialist I am, let me tell you flat out.... ON THIS TOPIC, I DON'T CARE. So save the server some wear and drop the topic.

 

[pr5owner]

stupid humans

 

[laracroft]

EDIT: Personally I am more offended by your avatar that implies that the act of killing someone is a joke.

Its not the act, it's the wishing. lol And it's from Red VS Blue, a video game video mini series. Yet another thing you couldnt possibly understand since you probably spend more time protesting at the nations capital then you do staying home playing video games like most normal people. And at least he has FULL body armor on and not running around naked killing people, cause that would just be wrong.

 

[pingdum]

Here's my last post on this subject, then I'll go away:

My original Avatar was funny!!!

 

[1sty]

Here's my last post on this subject, then I'll go away:

My original Avatar was funny!!!

So nipples are funny?

 

[Kooldino]

Enry ownz j00.

 

[1sty]

And his nipples (rofl)

 

[enry]

KD, you're still not getting any of my asian porn.

 

[TiGrayMsp716]

I saw janet on letterman the other day and relized that this situtation isn't really over, because I then saw it mentioned on 2 different shows on ESPN. I think it's unfortunate that janet is catching all the heat for this. I think the situation is a bit silly. Not to say it was appropriate though. What happened was embarrassing for janet, and will see how her sales do after this. Unfortunately the "wardrobe malfuntion" will be contributed for how ever her album does. What happened really should not have been a shock. Janets albums have increasingly rotated around her sexuality since the Janet album. (Anytime, Anyplace... I'm sure a lot of the adult members have listen to that while having sex at one time or another). Does anyone remember Janet velvet rope tour? Then one where she tie someone up from the audience and preformed a lap dance. This is just too silly. Sexuality is sold daily. To freak out about that lil spot on the breast is absurd. A man breast and woman breast differ only by a little estrogen.

 

[jcvmp5]

I like and have no problems with nipples . and thats that

 

[TiGrayMsp716]

About eight years ago in cali, there where topless hot dog vendors at a beach. (Great Idea huh) Of course after it got popular and local fame (or infamous) they were later arrested. They argued that since breast ARE NOT SEXUAL ORGANS because they play no direct role in sexual intercourse (of course some people are more creative than others). It went thru the court system and a appealate court ruled that a place where men can expose their chest women were allowed to as well. Not sure if it has been overturned or not.

 

[MotegiMazdA]

if the parents didn't make such a big deal out of it all, the kids would hardly notice. It's only because the parents are all running around screaming that the kids sit up and think "Hey there's something really cool and forbidden going on here, I wanna see."

This is probably the only thing I really read in this thread that I totally agree with. Some people go overboard with stuff.
For Example: (not nipplie but I hope you see my point)
I guarantee that if everyone wasnt so against underage drinking there wouldnt really be any. I grew up in an Italian house hold with traditional italian beliefs, drinking at an early age was ok. When I got to middle and high school and my friends were all like yeah lets go get drunk in the woods. I just shrugged and told them that we could do that at my house. I didnt see the point or the fun of it because it wasnt forbidden to me. I was never told not to do certain things like drugs or alcohol and as such and it never seemed appealing to me, it was something I could do if I wanted to (not really inspite of anyone else) but I didnt feel the need to ever try it. I watched it ruin a lot of people that I loved. That might also be part of why I never felt attracted to it.

So I dont see why people get all up in cahoots about certain subjects but then again you have to relise we are all different were all brought up under different values and like it or not people are going to be the way they are until they deicde to change. Other people never will think of changing because that is the way they are the way they have seen things and as such it will never change and it will be passed on to their kids...until the rebel is born.
Its fun to question why, but in the end you are going to accept that someone is eventually going to dissagree with you or not see things the way you see them. Some people are just close-minded, there is not much you can do about that either. Trust me I have had my fair share of arguements with a lot of stubborn italians. (screwy)

 

[the orracle]

nipples (thumb)

 

[TiGrayMsp716]

This is probably the only thing I really read in this thread that I totally agree with. Some people go overboard with stuff.
For Example: (not nipplie but I hope you see my point)
I guarantee that if everyone wasnt so against underage drinking there wouldnt really be any. I grew up in an Italian house hold with traditional italian beliefs, drinking at an early age was ok. When I got to middle and high school and my friends were all like yeah lets go get drunk in the woods. I just shrugged and told them that we could do that at my house. I didnt see the point or the fun of it because it wasnt forbidden to me. I was never told not to do certain things like drugs or alcohol and as such and it never seemed appealing to me, it was something I could do if I wanted to (not really inspite of anyone else) but I didnt feel the need to ever try it. I watched it ruin a lot of people that I loved. That might also be part of why I never felt attracted to it.

So I dont see why people get all up in cahoots about certain subjects but then again you have to relise we are all different were all brought up under different values and like it or not people are going to be the way they are until they deicde to change. Other people never will think of changing because that is the way they are the way they have seen things and as such it will never change and it will be passed on to their kids...until the rebel is born.
Its fun to question why, but in the end you are going to accept that someone is eventually going to dissagree with you or not see things the way you see them. Some people are just close-minded, there is not much you can do about that either. Trust me I have had my fair share of arguements with a lot of stubborn italians. (screwy)

It's the forbidden fruit. Can't is a powerful motivational tool. Making something Tabu is great to peak interest. I grew up in the military and when we were stationed overseas I could drink a glass of wine at restaurants off base but not on. It wasn't that big of a deal.

 

[TiGrayMsp716]

Just wonder does anyone ever watch any holliwood awards shows. You can see thru half womans shirts and they are shot live as well. Especially during the preshow.