Warning: Dont get too cocky (ok and a rant)
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nazgul350r
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- 03 MSP & 08 CX-9 GT
Mocoso said:
Aren't you suppsoe to sue someone when that happens.
TheDutchGun
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nvmsp said:
I beat an MS6 in my Stock 300hp Mustang so I would think an MS3 wouldn't have a hope in hell against a 400hp C6 Vette.
nvmsp said:
Nope aint going to happen unless grandpa is the one behind the wheel... comparing a few specs between the two:
BOTH cars weight about the same
MS3 has roughly 260 HP/ 280 ftlbs
C6 has roughly 400 HP/ 400 ftlbs
MS3 has 60/40 weight distribution
C6 has nearly 50/50 weight distribution
the c6 is a completly different beast from the MS3, the one thing they both share in common is "hell of a bang for the buck" and a high "fun" coefficient....
(No Im not trying to prove the C6 is better than the MS3 just that they are sufficiently different cars with different goals in mind)
gone_fishin
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As a joke, I did a little stoplight drag against a corvette in my protege pre-swap. I wanted to see how badly I would lose. It was commical. I think the corvette owner got a good laugh out of it too.
Mocoso said:
I think that some people who are somewhat new to the car scene or have had little seat time in other cars with varying levels of performance will get a false sense about the MS3. The MS3 is very quick for a small performance hatch.
I've ridden in 500hp street cars, a 450hp Viper GTS, a Porsche GT3, and a few other VERY fast cars. While the MS3 is certainly no slouch, there are levels of performance out there that obliterate it. It's hard to imagine just how hard something else can accelerate until you sit your ass in a seat and do it.
Then enter in the whole motorcycle thing. While that's a totally different feeling...you really get an idea how fast and quick something can be with you are nailing 100 in just over 5 seconds.
Mocoso said:
WELL my escort has had hte perches on the struts removed and spacers made ot make the coilover sleaves sit lower. ( i tuck rim on 17's) and i have mx3 sits (sit like 2 inches lower than stock) so it sits pretty low! lol i ust liek ti that way!
as for my ms3 in street racing i go thte car cause is was a pretty fast car out of the box (and legal) i didnt get it ot race peeps on the road, maybee an autocross or 2 and maybee soem drag nights at tracks. but is was a nice looking handling and power fo a car and it still keeps ht ewife happy.
The car isn't fast, it's sporty, and reasonably quick for what it is - a commuter vehicle that allows for smiles on your face. What it is not is a sports car. The car runs 14's stock on the front 2 wheels. The majority of the performance cars out now and coming out are deep in the 13's - 11's on a drag strip. Vettes, Shelby's, Mustangs the new Camaro, the Challenger (depending on engine choice), EVO's, STi's... These were all built with different things in mind.
justa4banger
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STREET RACING IS THE ONLY WAY TO RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that the idiot is out of me, i will admit i have done some runs on LEGAL streets against different cars in both my MS3 and my SVO. I refuse to intentionally get on the freeway and run someone. Its just not the place. I regularly take my SVO to the track (thus thr reason my clutch is shot after 7k miles) I haven't had the MS3 to the track or dyno YET. but i see it in the near future.
I have seen guys that run on freeways late at night at 80 punches to 1XX, and i just wonder..........Why? Its not so much i'm worried about them killing themselves, its the inoccent lady, thats going home to papa after a long night at work, i worry about.
I will say this EVERYONE on this planet has momments of stupidity............... why do you think insurance is so popular.
Now that the idiot is out of me, i will admit i have done some runs on LEGAL streets against different cars in both my MS3 and my SVO. I refuse to intentionally get on the freeway and run someone. Its just not the place. I regularly take my SVO to the track (thus thr reason my clutch is shot after 7k miles) I haven't had the MS3 to the track or dyno YET. but i see it in the near future.
I have seen guys that run on freeways late at night at 80 punches to 1XX, and i just wonder..........Why? Its not so much i'm worried about them killing themselves, its the inoccent lady, thats going home to papa after a long night at work, i worry about.
I will say this EVERYONE on this planet has momments of stupidity............... why do you think insurance is so popular.
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Familia323
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Donas64 said:
Hahaha nice one.
The MS3 is going to be just like the MSP, because its affordability will attract tons of young kids who are new to driving. So, you're inevitably going to have the retarded drivers hauling ass through residential streets and weaving in and out of heavy traffic. What are you gonna do?
CTGrey02 said:
I would have to disagree on the ms3 not being a sports car.
I mean I'm not running around like I have the biggest cock in town or anything and I know my place behind many other cars on the road, but come on (not a sports car)(shocked)
Just my 2cents
C'ville said:
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
sports car
noun a small, high-powered automobile with long, low lines, usually seating two persons.
American Heritage Dictionary -
n. An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.
The MS3 is NOT a sports car. Its a sporty hatchback but it is definatley not a sports car. The Miata is Much more of a sports car than the MS3 will ever be despite being MUCH slower You want reasons?
1. It's got 4 doors: Most true sports cars have 2 doors
2. It's Front wheel drive: most true sports cars are RWD
3. It's tooo HEAVY: The MS3 weighs over 3300 pounds
4. It's not very aerodynamic
5. It's center of gravity is far too high
6. It's Front wheel drive
7. It's Front wheel drive
8. It's Front wheel drive
In conclusion, while being a very fast, very sporty hatchback, the MS3 is most definatly not a sports car.
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Interesting web definition of a sports car
A simple definition of a sports car is "a small low car with a high-powered engine, and generally seats two people". This is more or less a "textbook" definition but gives us an idea of what the public perceives to be a sports car.
The Houghton Mifflin dictionary defines a sports car as: "An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds". This dictionary definition does not seem to capture the general perception of what the public sees as a sports car.
The Houghton Mifflin definition of the "two seat rule" seems out-of-date. Many sports cars today offer small back seats (sometimes referred to as 2+2 seating) and there is a current movement underway to increase the seating room in models long considered sports cars by most automotive experts.
Insurance companies use their own formula in classifying automobiles and often the presence of two doors automatically makes any car a "sports car" in their eyes. This perspective, of course, is as overly simplistic as the standard dictionary approach to defining a sports car. One can certainly think of any number of two door vehicles that fall far short of being an actual sports car. Economy cars and even larger two-door vehicles that are not built with power and performance in mind should not qualify as true sports cars.
Some car buffs will refer to high-performance muscle cars and other larger vehicles as sports cars. Others, however, draw a distinction between these vehicles and "true" sports cars. These individuals will claim that a car can be a "sporting car" or simply "sporty" but still fall short of being a true sports car. Thus, "regular" cars may be outfitted with a "sports package" and/or accessories to make the car sportier, but may not fit a strict definition of a sports car.
Not all automotive enthusiasts, however, embrace this restrictive view of sports cars. In many circles, a sports car is any car offering greater performance or power than more standard offerings. This school of thought will consider muscle cars and other larger vehicles designed with performance in mind as sports cars.
Others will maintain that the distinction between a sports car and any other type of car lies in how the car's suspension and handling are addressed. Technical debates rage over whether various suspension packages qualify as belonging to true "sports cars".
Some will argue that a sports car can be defined by its intentions. If the car is designed for performance more so than for utility, they say, it is a sports car. This intent-based definition, however, provides little guidance in determining whether a car is a sports car or not. Particularly in the modern era, the notion of designing a car of any sort without significant consideration of its feasibility and utility seems unlikely. Any commercially viable vehicle, regardless of its performance, must retain significant utility.
Road and Track, a leading automotive publication, summarizes the sports card definition debate with a simple observation: "Ask five people the exact definition of a sports car, and you'll likely get five different answers".
There is no clear-cut definition of what really is a sports car. The restrictive definitions of the past seem ill suited to categorize today's' diverse automotive offerings and common usage of the term runs contrary to most long-held definitions.
There is, however, a common thought that seems to run through almost all of the outlooks on the meaning of "sports car". If a car is designed with high performance or race-like capabilities in mind, it can probably be safely termed a sports car. Some purists may balk at such a liberal perspective, but alternative definitions fall far short of accurately distinguishing sports cars form regular production models.
By David Chandler
Published: 2/16/2006
A simple definition of a sports car is "a small low car with a high-powered engine, and generally seats two people". This is more or less a "textbook" definition but gives us an idea of what the public perceives to be a sports car.
The Houghton Mifflin dictionary defines a sports car as: "An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds". This dictionary definition does not seem to capture the general perception of what the public sees as a sports car.
The Houghton Mifflin definition of the "two seat rule" seems out-of-date. Many sports cars today offer small back seats (sometimes referred to as 2+2 seating) and there is a current movement underway to increase the seating room in models long considered sports cars by most automotive experts.
Insurance companies use their own formula in classifying automobiles and often the presence of two doors automatically makes any car a "sports car" in their eyes. This perspective, of course, is as overly simplistic as the standard dictionary approach to defining a sports car. One can certainly think of any number of two door vehicles that fall far short of being an actual sports car. Economy cars and even larger two-door vehicles that are not built with power and performance in mind should not qualify as true sports cars.
Some car buffs will refer to high-performance muscle cars and other larger vehicles as sports cars. Others, however, draw a distinction between these vehicles and "true" sports cars. These individuals will claim that a car can be a "sporting car" or simply "sporty" but still fall short of being a true sports car. Thus, "regular" cars may be outfitted with a "sports package" and/or accessories to make the car sportier, but may not fit a strict definition of a sports car.
Not all automotive enthusiasts, however, embrace this restrictive view of sports cars. In many circles, a sports car is any car offering greater performance or power than more standard offerings. This school of thought will consider muscle cars and other larger vehicles designed with performance in mind as sports cars.
Others will maintain that the distinction between a sports car and any other type of car lies in how the car's suspension and handling are addressed. Technical debates rage over whether various suspension packages qualify as belonging to true "sports cars".
Some will argue that a sports car can be defined by its intentions. If the car is designed for performance more so than for utility, they say, it is a sports car. This intent-based definition, however, provides little guidance in determining whether a car is a sports car or not. Particularly in the modern era, the notion of designing a car of any sort without significant consideration of its feasibility and utility seems unlikely. Any commercially viable vehicle, regardless of its performance, must retain significant utility.
Road and Track, a leading automotive publication, summarizes the sports card definition debate with a simple observation: "Ask five people the exact definition of a sports car, and you'll likely get five different answers".
There is no clear-cut definition of what really is a sports car. The restrictive definitions of the past seem ill suited to categorize today's' diverse automotive offerings and common usage of the term runs contrary to most long-held definitions.
There is, however, a common thought that seems to run through almost all of the outlooks on the meaning of "sports car". If a car is designed with high performance or race-like capabilities in mind, it can probably be safely termed a sports car. Some purists may balk at such a liberal perspective, but alternative definitions fall far short of accurately distinguishing sports cars form regular production models.
By David Chandler
Published: 2/16/2006
