Thinking about trading in for Type R

I can't remember if the Type R had a secondary set of intake runners as well. My GS-R did, and I had an Iceman CAI and GReddy header and exhaust, and that car sounded SO damn good. It had 3 distinct stages, idle to about 4,000 RPM was nice and throaty. 4,000-7,000 after the cam switchover it really came to life, and after the secondary intake runners opened up @ ~ 7,000 it was just an unbelieveable scream. Yeah, I miss it. I've learned my lesson now, and will never get my sorry a$$ into so much debt that I've got to get rid of my MSP.

Damn I wish I had a sound clip of my GS-R! :)
 
MSP2746 said:
I can't remember if the Type R had a secondary set of intake runners as well. My GS-R did, and I had an Iceman CAI and GReddy header and exhaust, and that car sounded SO damn good. It had 3 distinct stages, idle to about 4,000 RPM was nice and throaty. 4,000-7,000 after the cam switchover it really came to life, and after the secondary intake runners opened up @ ~ 7,000 it was just an unbelieveable scream. Yeah, I miss it. I've learned my lesson now, and will never get my sorry a$$ into so much debt that I've got to get rid of my MSP.

Damn I wish I had a sound clip of my GS-R! :)
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My Toyota 2zz-ge powered car was very much the same way. It have VVT throughout the entire range and then at 6000 rpms would switch over to the second cam lobes and would scream. After installing an Injen intake, it was really mean especially when it switched over. It only reved up to 8350rpm but that was enough for me.
 
MazdaSpeed0020 said:
The Type R is being sold by a private party, i pretty much bought the MSP for around 20,000 plus new and have had it for seven months, I put a 2000 down payment on it. I dont know too much about the whole loan thing so I could be wrong, but If I were to pay for it over a period of 5 years, like I am now, my payments will go down. Atleast that is what I understand.

Matt
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I actually work for a very large Auto finance company. If you paid 20k for the unit and put 2k down and had the unit for 7 months, then you are most likely upside down in the unit. seeing how if you find the right dealer you should be able to get the a new MSP for 15-16k. in addition, did you purchase any backend products i.e. extended service plan, gap insurance etc. this will add to your payoff balance.

If you decide to part with your MSP, then cancel you're backend products and have the monies go towards your balance of your loan and not towards a payment. Once you have done that, you will then want to find a unit (talking used unit here)that is well below the current Kelly Blue book loan value (fair condition whether it has 1 mile or 20k) so you can roll over your remaining balance from you're previous loan into the new loan and still get an approval.

I would suggent going new, it is much easier to hide a roll over balance from a previous loan on a new unit with alot of rebates and discounts than trying the same thing with a used. Plus banks prefer new cars over used and will be more likley to go out on a limb for a loan approval.

The way you hide a new balance on a new car is as follows, they will loan very close to MSRP on a new unit. For example, if you have a MSRP on said unit of 20k, but they dealer has 6k off in rebates/discounts and you have a roll over balance of 2k. The dealer then can roll the 2k into the new loan and still be below MSRP of the new unit with monies to spare from the 6k rebate and use the remainder of the rebate showing has a down payment. You could walk out of there with a new car not paying a down payment and released from your old unit via trade-in.

Hope this helps...

Apoc
 
^^^^ wow... that's really eye opening. but this only applies to dealers that has rebates/programs that would lower the price? i guess it all depends on how much the bank will loan.. inner-esting.

and it'd be kind of pointless if you owed the same amount on your current car as the new car, right?
 
hueman said:
^^^^ wow... that's really eye opening. but this only applies to dealers that has rebates/programs that would lower the price? i guess it all depends on how much the bank will loan.. inner-esting.

and it'd be kind of pointless if you owed the same amount on your current car as the new car, right?
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Greetings Hueman, He should make sure the dealer knows his comfort level on what he is willing to pay a month. They will try and bump it as much as possible (trust me). Also never settle on the 1st Annual Percentage Rate (APR). YOU MUST BE WILLING TO SAY NO AND WALK AWAY AND MEAN IT!!!! I have made the dealership come down as many as 3 times on their proposed APR when getting my wife's car loan. In addition, when I purchased my MSP I made the dealership start the negoations at a $100 over invoice then I made them apply the rebates at that starting price so when everybody was paying 21k for their MSP I paid 16k or 17k out the door (i'll have to check my paperwork) . So depending on what the out the door price and what the person's APR is it can greatly reduce their payment for the same car.

Hope this helps...

Apoc
 
Wow.. I'm surprised at everyone's non-bashing. :P I clicked on this thread wondering how many negative stupid posts I would have to delete. Wow..

Thanks for keeping it clean. :)
 
Integra Type-R's are sweet cars, but I would much rather have an MSP. especially where I live where the Integra's are a dime a dozen and nobody has an MSP for a hundred miles.I had the option on buying an ITR that was super-clean when I was shopping for my new car but I passed it up. Just my two cents.
 
Whats the point? I dont think a Type R is a step up performance wise from a MSP really. The MSP is as good a track car as a ITR and has a turbo that when tuned properly can give you more power gains for less coin than a ITR. Also the MSP is newer and has the added practicality of 4 doors.
 
I dont know, I would think that the ITR would be easier to tune and find the parts for, etc. Plus if I were to ever blow the engine wouldnt it be easier to get ahold of another and at a cheaper price? I have only owned Mazdas so I am not too sure about everything else.

The one thing about the ITR that is really kinda turning me off is the high rate of getting stolen. Being that I do kinda live in a bad town where many peoples cars get broken into and stolen. Next door neighbbors car got broken into for the second time in like 6 months, and I cant park my car inside because there is no garage. I am really surprised that nothing has happen to my car yet. But I dont know.

I will have to do some more thinking and researching about the car. I would think that with 50 more hp that the difference between the performance of the two cars would be significant. But thanks for all of the replies, keep them coming if you got anymore.

Matt
 
get the Type-R ... it's not a bad trade off from your MSP. and if you can lower your car payments because of the trade, then it works out even better. my cousin has had his Type-R for over 4 years now and he has had NO regrets. still keeps it in great condition.
 
Yeah... But what he drops on the payment he may pick up on the insurance. Get an insurance qoute, I dont know for sure but I bet the insurance on the R is a b****.
 
Jhova1012 said:
Yeah... But what he drops on the payment he may pick up on the insurance. Get an insurance qoute, I dont know for sure but I bet the insurance on the R is a b****.
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It will def. be more for the ITR, shyt mine dropped almost 200 a year after I took my GSR off... Again, good luck.
 
MazdaSpeed0020 said:
I dont know, I would think that the ITR would be easier to tune and find the parts for, etc. Plus if I were to ever blow the engine wouldnt it be easier to get ahold of another and at a cheaper price? I have only owned Mazdas so I am not too sure about everything else.
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Im sure that its easier to get a MSP engine becuz all you have to do is find a 2.0 L 99-2003 engine and there are tons more Proteges around (and totaled) then there are ITR's.

As far as tuning...turbo>Highly taxed, high revving Honda NA 4 cylinder. Its physics man...it may burst the Hondabois bubble dream world but thats a fact. Dollar for dollar you get more. Im not saying, for instance, that the MSP has a bullet proof engine.made for boost.ala the SRT-4 or EVO but still IMHO I think Mazda makes stout engines..I mean Miatas share similar design to the MSP engines and they are great boosted engines even tho they werent engineered for boost.
 
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Getting power out of a Honda is hard period. The engines are already running verry effecently. The B18c5 is very hard to make power on unless your going FI. If you think about it most aftermarket Honda parts (Header, Cams, Valve Train ect...) are built off of what? The B18c5. Most headers are just tweaked ITR headers, same with cams and intake manifolds.... Now strap a JRSC on an ITR and you got one hell of a track car.
 
Jhova1012 said:
Getting power out of a Honda is hard period. The engines are already running verry effecently. The B18c5 is very hard to make power on unless your going FI. If you think about it most aftermarket Honda parts (Header, Cams, Valve Train ect...) are built off of what? The B18c5. Most headers are just tweaked ITR headers, same with cams and intake manifolds.... Now strap a JRSC on an ITR and you got one hell of a track car.
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Wouldnt the supercharger give around 50+ hp to the car. So damn, that would be one fast car. But I dont know what I am going to do, still considering all the options and I do need to get a quote from my insurance company. Why would the ITR insurance be so much more though, you would think they would be around the same because they are both sporiter cars.

Matt
 
Sigh somedays i miss my Integra...but I really like the mazdaspeed...it's nice to have some TORQUE!! The Type-R does have plenty of parts to choose from though. It's really dependant on what you are looking. Both cars are very well balanced.
 
To those that have driven both cars.ITR vs MSP.which has better handling? And which is a better track car...stock.
 
Depends on what you mean by track car. If you're looking for a drag car, the MSP would be cheaper to build fast, but stock to stock, the ITR is going to be better on road courses. The ITR handles beautifully, and won't suffer the heat soak issues the MSP does. Getting an FMIC for the MSP would more or less rid you of the heat soak, though, which in my book would put them pretty much in a dead heat on a road course.

Heat soak is my main concern with the MSP in racing applications, because it limits repeatability. It's harder to get consistant times without extended cool-down sessions.

For racing, I'd go ITR all the way...stock to stock.
 
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