Test Drove a 2017 GT FWD this afternoon!

Dr Kev

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2016 Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring
This afternoon, I took some time out and test drove a '17 CX-5 GT FWD at my closest dealer in Fort Worth. I'm going to be doing some comparisons with my current car (a 2016 CX-5 GT FWD) and a 2017 Honda CR-V EX AWD that I drove earlier this year. Here are some observations:

1) Even with me (at 205 lb) and the sales person (est. 160 lbs) onboard the car feels far more powerful and responsive than a 3 hp increase would suggest. The car is has no difficulty overcoming its nearly 100 lb weight increase and then some. It must be a combination of a stronger torque curve (despite the same peak number) and the updated Skyactiv Drive transmission.

2) Refinement wise, this car feels on a far higher level than my '16 and the '17 CR-V. The CR-V felt like the bean counters won out. The 2017 CX-5 feels like whoever was in charge of the new car's development said to the bean counters: "Back off!" It does feel much more substantial than my '16, I must admit.

3) Despite the increased refinement, the car's handling, braking, and steering have not been diminished. After reading some of the other drives on here, that was a major relief! g-vectoring control is no gimmick! Where the new CR-V (with AWD) felt unstable in taking turns at above suggested speeds, the FWD CX-5 felt very confidence inspiring and a blast to drive.

4) The user interface is familiar and much improved. I don't know what is responsible (upgraded hardware, in-car network, and/or software) but the systems (e.g., the multi-information display and Mazda Connect) respond much more quickly! The slow response of the CR-V's infotainment was readily apparent compared with that of the new CX-5. There are aspects of the CR-V that feel unfinished (like it was rushed to sale); this isn't the case with the new CX-5.

5) I'll give you a couple of examples of the new features that I make me want to upgrade and soon: The auto-hold system is very easy to use and intuitive. I don't have a busy commute, but can see how it would be very helpful in stop and go traffic. That the Blind Spot monitoring system also shows up in the MID is helpful. I found the lane departure warning and assist systems to be effective and really intuitive. It's just a nudge; nothing scary.

6) Something interesting that I noticed is shown in the attached image of the fuel filler door. Notice the covered over place for a second filler. I'm going with the base 2.5 gas engine, but this seems to confirm (sorry, naysayers!) that this responsive, fuel efficient, reliable uplevel diesel engine option isn't vaporware this time!

7) Is the new car flawless? Of course not! I wish that the smartphone mirroring capabilities and diesel would be offered from day 1 (though given the laggy performance of the CR-V infotainment, maybe it's best that Mazda is not rushing such features to market). Would I like the 2.5 T gas engine to be offered? Sure. Still, I'm excited to get to sample what Mazda does have in store for its up-level power plant (like the Skyactiv G engines, the diesel's engine architecture is less than 6 years old; in comparison, the Honda's uplevel engine is the result of slapping a turbo and direct injection onto the 16 year old L series engine family). Other nits to pick: 1) I wish that the memory seat was standard on the GT and the power lift gate was in the premium package; 2) the hidden storage wells in the hatch area just pull out and click in (rather than being hinged doors as I would have preferred) and 3) Can I get a grocery bag hook or two like my '12 Mazda3 had?

Well, I hope this review is helpful to those looking at the new CX-5. I see a GT FWD in eternal blue and a few accessories in my future!
Peace,

Dr Kev



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6) Something interesting that I noticed is shown in the attached image of the fuel filler door. Notice the covered over place for a second filler. I'm going with the base 2.5 gas engine, but this seems to confirm (sorry, naysayers!) that this responsive, fuel efficient, reliable uplevel engine option isn't vaporware this time!View attachment 216207

That's so exciting! One step closer to the fuel efficient diesel.
 
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Appreciate the great post! Great insight... I cant wait to be able to drive one too.
 
I don't know s*** about diesel. Why is there a second filler hole?

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Nice feedback and I completely agree. My wife and I test drove the 16.5 GT and the 17 GT and the 17 was the clear winner. The seats, ride quality, interior finishes and driving experience won us over. Our red 17 GT with the premium package will be here next week. It's still on the boat but should land in Tacoma, WA next week.

We traded in our 10 year old Subaru on the new CX-5 but since the red wasn't available yet the dealership gave us a 16.5 to use in the meantime. The 75 mile drive home convinced us that we made the correct decision going with the 17. The seats weren't as comfortable and road noise seemed more pronounced in the 16.5.
 
That's really cool they let you take a 16 home.

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Thanks for the review.
I would love to know how Mazda have improved the drivability, has anyone compared the power and torque curves?
 
This afternoon, I took some time out and test drove a '17 CX-5 GT FWD at my closest dealer in Fort Worth. I'm going to be doing some comparisons with my current car (a 2016 CX-5 GT FWD) and a 2017 Honda CR-V EX AWD that I drove earlier this year. Here are some observations:

1) Even with me (at 205 lb) and the sales person (est. 160 lbs) onboard the car feels far more powerful and responsive than a 3 hp increase would suggest. The car is has no difficulty overcoming its nearly 100 lb weight increase and then some. It must be a combination of a stronger torque curve (despite the same peak number) and the updated Skyactiv Drive transmission.

2) Refinement wise, this car feels on a far higher level than my '16 and the '17 CR-V. The CR-V felt like the bean counters won out. The 2017 CX-5 feels like whoever was in charge of the new car's development said to the bean counters: "Back off!" It does feel much more substantial than my '16, I must admit.

3) Despite the increased refinement, the car's handling, braking, and steering have not been diminished. After reading some of the other drives on here, that was a major relief! g-vectoring control is no gimmick! Where the new CR-V (with AWD) felt unstable in taking turns at above suggested speeds, the FWD CX-5 felt very confidence inspiring and a blast to drive.

4) The user interface is familiar and much improved. I don't know what is responsible (upgraded hardware, in-car network, and/or software) but the systems (e.g., the multi-information display and Mazda Connect) respond much more quickly! The slow response of the CR-V's infotainment was readily apparent compared with that of the new CX-5. There are aspects of the CR-V that feel unfinished (like it was rushed to sale); this isn't the case with the new CX-5.

5) I'll give you a couple of examples of the new features that I make me want to upgrade and soon: The auto-hold system is very easy to use and intuitive. I don't have a busy commute, but can see how it would be very helpful in stop and go traffic. That the Blind Spot monitoring system also shows up in the MID is helpful. I found the lane departure warning and assist systems to be effective and really intuitive. It's just a nudge; nothing scary.

6) Something interesting that I noticed is shown in the attached image of the fuel filler door. Notice the covered over place for a second filler. I'm going with the base 2.5 gas engine, but this seems to confirm (sorry, naysayers!) that this responsive, fuel efficient, reliable uplevel diesel engine option isn't vaporware this time!

7) Is the new car flawless? Of course not! I wish that the smartphone mirroring capabilities and diesel would be offered from day 1 (though given the laggy performance of the CR-V infotainment, maybe it's best that Mazda is not rushing such features to market). Would I like the 2.5 T gas engine to be offered? Sure. Still, I'm excited to get to sample what Mazda does have in store for its up-level power plant (like the Skyactiv G engines, the diesel's engine architecture is less than 6 years old; in comparison, the Honda's uplevel engine is the result of slapping a turbo and direct injection onto the 16 year old L series engine family). Other nits to pick: 1) I wish that the memory seat was standard on the GT and the power lift gate was in the premium package; 2) the hidden storage wells in the hatch area just pull out and click in (rather than being hinged doors as I would have preferred) and 3) Can I get a grocery bag hook or two like my '12 Mazda3 had?

Well, I hope this review is helpful to those looking at the new CX-5. I see a GT FWD in eternal blue and a few accessories in my future!
Peace,

Dr Kev



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Exactly what I've been trying to convey about the 2017... especially a fully loaded one. It feels like a significant upgrade over the previous versions. And it's still fun to drive. What did you think of the HUD system? I really liked it. In a semi related experience, the Axela (Mazda 3) I'm using this week while waiting on our 2017 has lane assist, which I hadn't felt with either of the CX5s I've drive, but it kicked in at one point today (avoiding an idiot poking his car into traffic), and it's no bother, it's exactly as described, a nudge.
 
Nice feedback and I completely agree. My wife and I test drove the 16.5 GT and the 17 GT and the 17 was the clear winner. The seats, ride quality, interior finishes and driving experience won us over. Our red 17 GT with the premium package will be here next week. It's still on the boat but should land in Tacoma, WA next week.

We traded in our 10 year old Subaru on the new CX-5 but since the red wasn't available yet the dealership gave us a 16.5 to use in the meantime. The 75 mile drive home convinced us that we made the correct decision going with the 17. The seats weren't as comfortable and road noise seemed more pronounced in the 16.5.
Yes this... the 2017 seats were practically the biggest selling point for our upgrade, I really like them very much - lumbar support is key at my age/size. And Mazda gave us an Axela (Mazda 3) for the 12 days that we were going to be "carless" as our previous CX5's road tax finished on the 27th of March and it was our trade in for the 2017 which arrives at our house next week.
 
The example I drove didn't have the Premium Package (which is the only way to get the HUD). So, I don't know. The North American owner manual is a little confusing, so I was glad to see that the blind spot monitoring alerts show up in the multi-information display (even without the active driving display). I'd like to add a couple of other points: The readability of MID and the new Mazda Connect screen is excellent! What I drove was specc'd as close to my current car as possible (both GT FWDs, though my car had the tech package with things like the LED adaptive headlights). I was glad to get to drive one with comparable specs.

I do want to comment about how some folks have claimed that the 2017 is so much more expensive. Some have commented that there's a big price jump for the GT model from 2016 to 2017. That's true. With destination and without packages, my 2016 car cost $29,100. The comparable 2017 model is $30,335. That's over a $1,200 difference! Yet to get the 2016 comparably equipped to the 2017, you'd have to add the Tech and i-Active Sense packages for $3005 together. So, that car would come out to over $32,000! That 2016 car would have a CD player (Mazda: boo for removing it on the 2017 on NA models!), but it would lack features standard on the 2017 model. These include: the enhanced MID, auto brake hold, power tailgate (which is very smooth and quiet in operation), increased covered storage (I'm really glad that the USB ports are all covered.), rear USB ports for charging, adjustable angle on the rear seat, vastly improved refinement with the same or better driving dynamics (thanks in part to G-Vectoring control), rear AirCon vents, and previously unavailable i-Active Sense features (e.g., full range adaptive cruise control). So, when someone says that the 2017 is so much more expensive (at least in the US), it's a good idea to take that kind of claim with a grain of salt.

Exactly what I've been trying to convey about the 2017... especially a fully loaded one. It feels like a significant upgrade over the previous versions. And it's still fun to drive. What did you think of the HUD system? I really liked it. In a semi related experience, the Axela (Mazda 3) I'm using this week while waiting on our 2017 has lane assist, which I hadn't felt with either of the CX5s I've drive, but it kicked in at one point today (avoiding an idiot poking his car into traffic), and it's no bother, it's exactly as described, a nudge.
 
I thought the HUD was awesome. The font was the perfect size and color, you can adjust the height and it displays a lot of information to the point where the driver doesn't need to take their eyes off the road. I really liked the blind spot monitoring & adaptive cruise control info being displayed on the HUD. I didn't need the feature but I will definitely use it now that I've experienced it.
 
I thought the HUD was awesome. The font was the perfect size and color, you can adjust the height and it displays a lot of information to the point where the driver doesn't need to take their eyes off the road. I really liked the blind spot monitoring & adaptive cruise control info being displayed on the HUD. I didn't need the feature but I will definitely use it now that I've experienced it.

Yes, I didn't know I "needed" it, but now that I've driven with it, amazeballs! And it's very different than the flip up HUD that is in the 2016 Axela (Mazda 3) that I've got for the week. The new seat is my favorite, but the new HUD is a close second, possibly my first after I tweak it and use it more!
Folks should try it. Folks who've already both the 2016.5 "might" not want to. ;)
 
Yea, I will not be test driving a 17. 😫

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Yea, I will not be test driving a 17. ��

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Don't worry, 16/16.5 still much better looking imo than the 17. But yes, jealous of those features.
 
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Thanks for the review.
I would love to know how Mazda have improved the drivability, has anyone compared the power and torque curves?

Not all about power and torque numbers and curves but responsiveness and hence drivability.

As quoted from Arstechnica review of the CX-5:
Mazda wanted a more direct throttle response for the 2.5L four-cylinder engine. But, unlike most of its peers, the company eschewed forced induction, although the engine does have direct injection. According to Coleman, in high-compression engines like the CX-5's, knock (premature ignition of the fuel-air mixture) is the real killer both for peak power output and transient throttle response. Mazda found that the edge of the engine's pistons turned into hot spots that could potentially trigger knocking, and so the piston edge was cut away to prevent this.

Other engine changes included asymmetric oil rings so that they better clean oil from the cylinder wall on the downstroke and better apply a film of oil on the upstroke. The piston skirts were also changed to asymmetrical ones. Why? Because, due to the different angle of the conrod, the compression forces on the piston head work in opposite directions during combustion and compression strokes. Those tweaks had almost no effect on overall power187hp (139kW) at 6,000 rpm compared to 184hp (137kW) at 5,700rpm. But the response time of the engine to a throttle input was much better in real-world driving conditions.
 

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