Should Downloading Music be Illegal?

What do you think about file-sharing(music downloading, etc.)?

  • It is a great system; programs like Kazaa should never be outlawed.

    Votes: 16 72.7%
  • Programs such as Kazaa steal money from the music industry, and should be outlawed.

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • Users should have to pay a monthly fee for using a file-sharing program.

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • I don\'t use file-sharing programs.

    Votes: 2 9.1%

  • Total voters
    22

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Thought this might make for a good discussion, with all the recent media attention the Kazaa File-Sharing system has been getting. From what I have seen, many members of this forum download music using Kazaa or other programs(I'm not excluded form that statement), and I was just wondering what people thought about this subject. I personally would like to think that it's not stealing because I use the program so much, but I guess in reality it is. What's everybody think?:confused:
 
i think of kazaa like the radio. hell the song quality is. i dont see myself paying for radio any time soon :p
 
Techincally yes it should be however I do feel it is a new form that should be explored instead of discourged by music makers.

Personally the music industry is just as much to blame as each one of us. Prices cont to rise, music quailty of the bands cont to decline. Seems today they are only concern with getting a number 1 song, produce a crap CD and make money off it.
Rarely do I ever find myself with a store bought CD that is enjoyable. Instead I find myself making mix CDs combining the good few new songs out there together.

I wouldn't have a problem paying a monthly fee to be able to choose the music I want and download it. Thats fine.

But the more they try to harp on people the more it drives people to go againts them.
 
It's not stealing at all.
If it is stealing, then i guess i have been stealing from HBO evertime i record a movie. Or i steal from NBC when i set the VCR to tape a program i wont be home to watch. I pay for the internet, i pay for cable. They both provde a service...Do with it as you will!!

Once they start to control the internet, its all over!
 
Everyone debates the "moral" issue with this, but it would be hard to change others' minds because it all ties back into what your beliefs of right and wrong are. Personally, I think it's wrong, but I don't expect anyone else to agree with me unless you have the same system of beliefs as I do, nor would I judge someone based on their belief about the morality of doing so.

You can, however, have an intelligent discussion about the LEGALITY of it. Whether it's right or wrong, it IS illegal. Period. Every published redording in the U.S., unless otherwise specifically stated, is copyrighted. For instance, here's the copyright clause on the first CD I pulled from my collection: "Warning: Unauthorized reproduction and/or distribution of this recording is prohibited by Federal law and subject to criminal prosecution." Plain and simple.

Here are a few points that people make about this:

1 -- "It's no different than making a copy of one of my own CDs."

That's not correct. When you buy a CD, you are buying a personal license to one copy of that work. You may copy as you wish for your OWN PERSONAL USE, but you are not to distribute the work to another party, including making a copy for friends. Your purchase of the CD implies your acceptance of that agreement, and that point has held up in court in the past.

2 -- "It's no different that recording radio music."

That's not correct, either. Radio stations are LICENSED by the Federal Communications Corporation for public distribution of recorded music. You again have a right to record music from the radio because the radio license has obtained right for distribution. Were you to sell recorded radio music, you would also be in violation of the FCC licenses.

The point made above about being no different than HBO doesn't hold water, either. HBO's license to distrubute copyrighted material for profit is secured by their FCC license. You, as a paid subscriber to HBO, have personal rights to that material for your own use. Were you to record something from HBO and distribute it to a non-HBO subscriber, you would be in violation of the copyright license.

When you download music or other copyrighted material without securing a right to the copyrighted material through purchase or written permission through the copyright holder, you are in violation of the copyright agreement. THIS IS ILLEGAL IN ANY INSTANCE. The artists that release the music are paid for their work by the purchase of the material from consumers. So, from a LEGAL standpoint, downloading the music is no different from walking into a record store, putting a CD under your coat, and walking out without paying. You are obtaining the music without purchasing the copyright to it.

Take the issue to the extreme. A band releases a new CD to the public. One person goes to the store, buys the CD, and puts it on the Web for download. 1 million people download the CD and don't pay for it. Now, 1,000,001 have the CD, but the band only gets royalties from one copy of the CD.

Now, I know that in reality artists are multi-millionares. However, new bands releasing albums aren't; some could actually struggle if their albums don't SELL well -- regardless of how popular it is.

That's the whole point to this issue -- our economy is based on free enterprise. You make a good product, you sell it to make a profit. People steal it, and you don't make money. Revenues go down and stock prices drop. Profits erode and companies have to cut jobs. Stock prices fall, and investors lose money.

Again, don't take this as a moral agenda -- it's just a commentary on the legality of this issue.

And, as with any other issue in life: Never condemn anyone for their actions until you are certain they understand the consequences for doing so. (kiss)
 
It's about getting paid for your work.

Take away the fact that the record industry is a giant evil industry that needs to go away and look at it purely from the perspective of the artists.

An album needs to sell at least 500,000 copies before the band breaks even. The labels simply advance the money for getting the record made, it costs around $100K to make a record for large release by the time you are done paying for studio time, engineers, producers, catering, etc.... They don't pay for it. The artists have to pay that money back out of the $.40 per cd they get back plus what ever tour revenues they happen to earn. Now once the label is paid back for the advance the artists are still generally only getting paid about $.40 per cd. Most of the s*** you see on 'Cribs' with these hip hop artists living in these 'Phat' houses and the 'Bling' cars is actually owned by the label. The artists that are multi millionares are the one's that are either multi-platinum or smart enough to market themselves for endorsement deals.

As for filesharing being just like radio... Radio stations pay royalties in order to play that music. They sell advertising to recoup that cost.

I am a musician as a hobby now. But when I was younger I was persuing the 'dream'. I got great enjoyment out of having people listen to my work and that was the main reason I did it. But if I were to do it as a full time job... I would enjoy not being homeless and having food in my belly more than providing the world with good music.

If you download a song and you like what you hear please by the damn CD. If you can, buy it direct from the artist. Buy a T-shirt or something. Most of these guys don't make alot of money and every little bit helps.
 
I download music, but definitely not as much as I used to. I typically download songs after hearing them on the radio as well as some others on the album. If I like them, I buy it. If I don't, I don't. Right or Wrong, that is what I do. I'm not going to buy some piece of s*** album if theres one or 2 good songs on it...

Chris
 

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