Road Crown/Toe Adjustment/Steering

Kaylee

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As a new member, I may have placed my similar post on the wrong forum this morning. I apologize if this is a duplication for some of you, but I'd really appreciate some opinions/answers.

Since purchasing my Mazda 3 (April 2004), I've had to hold the steering wheel slightly to the left to keep the vehicle tracking straignt. Recently, Mazda made a "toe" adjustment (without my approval) to compensate for road crown. The adjustment was unsuccessful -- I still had to hold the wheel to the left. Unfortunately, this adjustment changed the steering from tight, direct and precise to light, loose and sloppy. I complained, and although the service tech said the steering was fine (after a short drive around the block at slow speed), the toe angle was readjusted. The steering is slightly better, but not much. Also, the steering wheel wobbles loosely from side to side in response to dips in the road, and I find myself concentrating to hold it steady. The wheel doesn't consistently return to position after turning, so I sometimes have to shuffle it back into to place to keep the vehicle from continuing to veer off in the turn direction (something I don't recall having to do before). Could I be imagining this?

Has anyone else experienced having to hold the steering wheel off-centre to keep their Mazda3 tracking straight on most roads? If the toe angle is now adjusted within Mazda specs (assuming previously it was not), why has my Mazda lost the steering characteristics this vehicle is known for? If the handling I previously enjoyed was only a result of the toe angle being "too toed in", why did all four vehicles I test drove have the same tight, direct steering mine used to have? Could anything else be causing my current dissatisfaction with the steering? Up to this point, I've loved this car.
 
Not tire pressure

xelderx said:
check tire pressure.
I have an expensive digital gauge, and check the tire pressure after every gas fill. Also, the fact that there is little discernable difference in tire wear after 15,000 km on the original all seasons, and 5,000 km on winters, I don't think my tires are an issue.
 
I had the same problem with my MSP after the alignment....I dont think it will ever be the same as it was.
 
Alignment disappointment

ForceFed said:
I had the same problem with my MSP after the alignment....I dont think it will ever be the same as it was.
What a shame! Did you have your alignment done at a Mazda dealer, and did you try to have them redo it? I'm wondering if the range of acceptable adjustments established by Mazda isn't broad enough to accommodate the differences in vehicles. I've searched the net extensively for information on wheel alignment, and my tires aren't showing any signs of wear from improper alignment, and especially not that related to "toe" angle. So, I'm wondering if what's right for my vehicle falls outside Mazda specs. I'm still considering taking the car back again.
 
Moved to suspension forum...


I think whoever did your alignment has no idea what they're doing.

Adjusting toe will not compensate for road crown. Nor will it correct a pull in one direction or the other. Toe out of adjustment does not make the vehicle pull, it just causes the sdteering wheel to be off-center and causes tires to wear. Because of the nature of toe, too much toe on one side automatically causes the opposite site to compensate.

Unfortunately for you, the only way to compensate for road crown is with caster and caster is not adjustable on our cars. The only things that are adjustable are front and rear toe.

For future reference:

If out of adjustment...
Toe: wears tires, does not cause pull
Caster: causes pull, does not wear tires
Camber: causes pull and wears tires

I would reccommend that you have the toe set to factory specs by a reputable (and competent) shop and just deal with the road crown issues.
 

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