Pulling to the right...

[ms6zoey]

Im not sure if this is the best place to start this thread.

I just put new tires (Goodyear eagle gt) on my 07 speed6 with 30,000 miles. After installing the tires i took it to get an alignment done since it was pulling to the right. They told me that it is normal for the car to pull right when accelerating. i was wondering if that statement is true??

thanks

 

[ms6zoey]

oh by the way it does pull to the right when i drive at a steady speed as well. they fixed that, but dont really like how it pulls when i start accelerating.

 

[04gixx6]

oh by the way it does pull to the right when i drive at a steady speed as well. they fixed that, but dont really like how it pulls when i start accelerating.

I have Goodyear Eagle F1 AS/C on mine. It doesn't pull to the right on acceleration. But on steady speeds it does slightly pull to the right. One tech told me that it's good to do that, in case you fall asleep you won't drift across into oncoming traffic. Not to sure on how much of that is true... I have had mine for around 8k miles and they show no signs of unusual wear as of yet.

 

[Rez]

oh by the way it does pull to the right when i drive at a steady speed as well. they fixed that, but dont really like how it pulls when i start accelerating.

Torque Steer, my friend. Normal condition under "hard" acceleration (within reason).

Since the MS6 is FWD 90% of the time, you're going to feel it every time. When you hammer the dogpiss out of the accelerator pedal, AWD will kick in, and virtually negate the torque effects of FWD.

I have Goodyear Eagle F1 AS/C on mine. It doesn't pull to the right on acceleration. But on steady speeds it does slightly pull to the right. One tech told me that it's good to do that, in case you fall asleep you won't drift across into oncoming traffic. Not to sure on how much of that is true... I have had mine for around 8k miles and they show no signs of unusual wear as of yet.

Uhhhh, gixx6, what I suggest you do is "drift to the right" down the road, to another alignment shop. That is totally false, and I can't believe that a tech would even tell you that.(uhm)

Have another shop do a complete 4-wheel alignment, with before and after specs on a printed sheet for you to take home. Any good shop will willingly provide you with that. The MS6 does have a wide range of "acceptable" values, but you should try and focus on what it is that you want (better tire wear, handling/performance, autoX, etc. A good tech will be able to set it up for you, within reason. If you are lowered, the front camber can become an issue, but the tech will tell you what they can do at that point.

 

[bova80]

its going to be tough to get it to not drift with the ms6. i had to swap out one of my control arms to get less caster on the one side. also upgrading to adjustable ball joints will let you adjust the camber and caster slightly depending on how you position them. but in stock form you cannot adjust camber on this car, but i bet your caster is off by a degree from left to right.

 

[The ManLaw]

what they meant by it is supposed to "pull to the right" is that cars are made to do that so if you fall asleep while driving you'll go off the side of the road instead of crashing into someone infront of you.

I find this a load of bulls***. take it to a different place and tell them its pulling to the right and you want it zeroed out.

 

[bova80]

it will also pull to the right because that is how most roads are graded so water runs off. and depending on what kind of tires you have they will grab the road more and pull you in that direction. i can definitely tell that my summer tires grab the road better then my winters and you can feel that pull more.

 

[FORZDA 1]

Im not sure if this is the best place to start this thread.

I just put new tires (Goodyear eagle gt) on my 07 speed6 with 30,000 miles. After installing the tires i took it to get an alignment done since it was pulling to the right. They told me that it is normal for the car to pull right when accelerating. i was wondering if that statement is true??

thanks

Was it pulling before or after the new tires? If before and after, then your caster is too high (positive) on the left side as compared to the right side. There are two ways to address this problem. The first is through a procedure in a TSB to reposition the front subframe to account for the caster error. The followon is to replce one or both of trhe upper control arms with a version that has offset bushings to move the arm forward(less positive caster) or aft (more positive caster) to correct the pull.

If pulling after the new tires, you likely have a tire with the tread belts slightly off center. It happens occasionally. Try rotating the tires F/R to see it it helps. If it does then you need a new tire or two.

I assume your car is still in warranty? If so, then the first scenario is a dealer visit and warranty fix.

 

[04gixx6]

what they meant by it is supposed to "pull to the right" is that cars are made to do that so if you fall asleep while driving you'll go off the side of the road instead of crashing into someone infront of you.

I find this a load of bulls***. take it to a different place and tell them its pulling to the right and you want it zeroed out.

That's exactly what he was saying. I found it hard to believe myself. I bought the car lowered. As to what kind of suspension it has now I have no idea. I know the rear springs are "red" and the ball joint boots are red also. The service manager told me they couldn't adjust the camber. The toe got knocked WAY out from a midget sized pot hole. And pulled hard to the right, now it's not to bad. I need to get a way to make it to where they can adjust the camber.

 

[Rez]

That's exactly what he was saying. I found it hard to believe myself. I bought the car lowered. As to what kind of suspension it has now I have no idea. I know the rear springs are "red" and the ball joint boots are red also. The service manager told me they couldn't adjust the camber. The toe got knocked WAY out from a midget sized pot hole. And pulled hard to the right, now it's not to bad. I need to get a way to make it to where they can adjust the camber.

You either have Eibach, RPM, or MAZDASPEED springs. Look for white lettering, or any lettering that will help you narrow it down..

They can only adjust front camber if you have the adjustable ball joints (SPC's, or another brand). You should have them check the front UCA's to determine if your car does have those ball joints--just look for the mount and the slides--They do come with red boots, so you may have lucked out on that one. The SPC's can give you enough adjustment room to correct camber issues.

FORZDA is spot-on. Take it to the dealer, and have them take a look as well. And find a good alignment shop.

 

[04gixx6]

You either have Eibach, RPM, or MAZDASPEED springs. Look for white lettering, or any lettering that will help you narrow it down..

They can only adjust front camber if you have the adjustable ball joints (SPC's, or another brand). You should have them check the front UCA's to determine if your car does have those ball joints--just look for the mount and the slides--They do come with red boots, so you may have lucked out on that one. The SPC's can give you enough adjustment room to correct camber issues.

FORZDA is spot-on. Take it to the dealer, and have them take a look as well. And find a good alignment shop.

Damn, from what I heard Eibach are worthless on our cars. As soon as I get a chance Ill try and find some lettering. Thanks for the info, Ill also look for those mounts and slides.

 

[bova80]

if the ball joint boots are red the you have the spc adjustable ball joints and they should be able to adjust the camber, they just must be retarded and don't know you have them.

 

[Rez]

Damn, from what I heard Eibach are worthless on our cars. As soon as I get a chance Ill try and find some lettering. Thanks for the info, Ill also look for those mounts and slides.

Worthless, no. Are they specifically designed for the MS6? No. They make models for the 6i (4cyl), the V6, the hatch, and the wagon. They will say that a certain set will work for the MS6, but the only thing that you will notice might be a stiffer ride, and maybe a bit more body roll...or, you won't notice it at all. I have the Mazdaspeed-version (which are Eibachs)--H14's on the front, H13's on the rear--The Mazdaspeed-versions have white lettering, along with the model #'s. Honestly, my car rides and looks just fine. If you are OK with the way yours looks and rides, then just leave them. Besides, you've got the SPC's...WINWIN

if the ball joint boots are red the you have the spc adjustable ball joints and they should be able to adjust the camber, they just must be retarded and don't know you have them.

Which is an even BIGGER reason to find a new alignment shop.

 

[ms6zoey]

Was it pulling before or after the new tires? If before and after, then your caster is too high (positive) on the left side as compared to the right side. There are two ways to address this problem. The first is through a procedure in a TSB to reposition the front subframe to account for the caster error. The followon is to replce one or both of trhe upper control arms with a version that has offset bushings to move the arm forward(less positive caster) or aft (more positive caster) to correct the pull.

If pulling after the new tires, you likely have a tire with the tread belts slightly off center. It happens occasionally. Try rotating the tires F/R to see it it helps. If it does then you need a new tire or two.

I assume your car is still in warranty? If so, then the first scenario is a dealer visit and warranty fix.

it was pulling before the new tires, but my old tires were really worn down so i thought thats why it was pulling to the right so i changed the tires. The pull is not as hard as it was with the old tires and they printed out the alignment sheet after it was done for me. Is there a site for the TSB for that subframe?

i will try rotating the tires and see how that works. thanks. ill let you guys know. hopefully i dont have to go through the hassle of getting new tires...

 

[ms6zoey]

and car is under warranty so i will check with dealership first.

 

[FORZDA 1]

it was pulling before the new tires, but my old tires were really worn down so i thought thats why it was pulling to the right so i changed the tires. The pull is not as hard as it was with the old tires and they printed out the alignment sheet after it was done for me. Is there a site for the TSB for that subframe?

i will try rotating the tires and see how that works. thanks. ill let you guys know. hopefully i dont have to go through the hassle of getting new tires...

Post up the alignment sheet and I'll tell you where the problem is.....

The TSB is here http://forum.***************/attach...stic_and_repair_procedure_02_007_07_1878a.pdf


You guys REALLY need to fix this link restriction.... Here's the TSB in pdf

 

[djuosnteisn]

Dang forzda, didn't know you posted up so much over here! I've only checked this site like 3 times today, and i've already seen alot of good things from you! Kudos on the hypeer tech thread. This forum is super lucky to have your attention

 

[FORZDA 1]

Dang forzda, didn't know you posted up so much over here! I've only checked this site like 3 times today, and i've already seen alot of good things from you! Kudos on the hypeer tech thread. This forum is super lucky to have your attention

Thanks button poked!!!(thumb)