Poll: Would you buy another Mazda product?

Would you buy another Mazda product?


  • Total voters
    52
Really? How do you support your shallow conclusion? Mazda has been loosing money for 4 straight years partly due to the economy here in the States. So they decide to save money on labor by moving production plants to Mexico and Thailand where labor cost half if not less then here in the States and that makes it a company of less quality? Hondas, VWs, Fords, GMs, and Chrysler products have been getting built down south in Mexico for years. Just because the production is not here in the States doesn't mean cars are built differently. Plants still have to follow corporate procedures and utilize machinery and parts provided by the same vendors as any other plant in the world whether it be here in the States or in Japan. Mazda is simply trying to save money to keep afloat with out having to go the GM and Chrysler route and ask to get their asses saved. Don't undermind a decision for ANY car maker to move the production to another country other then the US unless you have factual data to support it.
 
Really? How do you support your shallow conclusion? Mazda has been loosing money for 4 straight years partly due to the economy here in the States. So they decide to save money on labor by moving production plants to Mexico and Thailand where labor cost half if not less then here in the States and that makes it a company of less quality? Hondas, VWs, Fords, GMs, and Chrysler products have been getting built down south in Mexico for years. Just because the production is not here in the States doesn't mean cars are built differently. Plants still have to follow corporate procedures and utilize machinery and parts provided by the same vendors as any other plant in the world whether it be here in the States or in Japan. Mazda is simply trying to save money to keep afloat with out having to go the GM and Chrysler route and ask to get their asses saved. Don't undermind a decision for ANY car maker to move the production to another country other then the US unless you have factual data to support it.
I hope you get to read my post #15 above. I don’t care for US made cars either (not referring to brand) but I do hope and think this will change as it seems we are, again, growing a sense of pride in manufacturing that we lost due to complacency. Until the Japanese standard of quality degrade, that is where I will turn to for my car and most other electronic device purchases. I have read about Mexcio quality but I’m with them yet. If the Mz5 was not made in Japan we would not be having this discussion :)

I understand you work for an auto conglomerate and see parts of the puzzle. I work in supporting the manufacturing world (all industries) and see the other half. I fully support globalization and see its advantages but there disadvantages. Some factors on why companies move is due to 1) education/skill of the labor for force (repetitive assembly don’t require much education/skill but when it comes to critical components, hell yeah it matters), 2) taxes and trade regulation advantages, 3) companies commitment to the local economy to sell more and 4) suppliers, suppliers, suppliers! #4 dictate so much. Company move to a place of cheaper manufacturing to cut cost (a penny saved is a penny earned). This is also when they re-evaluate and move on to a new logistically cheaper supplier. I would say this is the #1 reason why made in China has such a bad rep. It is not their lack of ability to make quality stuff, it is the low quality of components that American company X decided to switch to since they are now being made in china instead of shipping said part from former supplier American company Y that supplied it better but ultimately cost more. It is American company X who ultimately decided the new bad quality if good enough, not the Chinese manufacturers (lead paint not withstanding). I don’t have any ‘data’ to back this up but look no further than your iPad/iPhone. Do you think Mazda is going to be like American company X or like Apple (doing it the right way by sourcing the latest cutting edge AND quality tech components while building them to a standard, which one reason why they cost more)? Mazda, without a strong partner, has less negotiation/buying power and low global market presence yet they have to stay competitive on pricing. I am not optimistic they will act like Apple. I like to root for the underdog but it is going to be tough.

FWIW, I am the type who don’t follow brand loyalty, for better or worst. I will buy what is best on the market, at the time, for the best value, and suite my needs –it is my law of averages and understand everything has a trade off.

Yes, I will undermine the decision for ANY company (not just limited to cars) to move production overseas b/c it is not for my advantage and is a lost to something else. Well, they say the move will make it cheaper for me buy without saying the product itself will be cheaper too. I am wiling to pay more for quality. This will all change once we are ONE world without nations and held to the same standard but that’s another story.



EDIT: On another note, I hope the 'No' voters could share their opinion.
 
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Okay. I stand corrected and you have very valid points on your stance, comment and argument. I guess the different perspectives based on fields of experience and field of career can pose many possibilities and points. BTW I am also with you on American made vehicles.
 
... EDIT: On another note, I hope the 'No' voters could share their opinion.
I voted "no". The design of the Mazda5 is great and I love that they offered a manual transmission in it, but the quality of it is sub-par. Much worse than the Honda and Toyota that I've owned in the past.

Besides the alignment and suspension issues which Mazda conveniently denies exist, there is the floor mat that keeps sliding under the clutch. What I find worst of all though is the really soft plastic in the interior. Tons of scratches through everyday usage - scratches that are not in my Honda and were never in my Toyota (which I sold when I bought the Mazda). The interior just feels... cheap.

That being said, it is the best value for a vehicle that will hold at least six people. But when I buy my next vehicle it will be a 5-person sedan, and there is no way I would consider Mazda.
 
I voted "no". The design of the Mazda5 is great and I love that they offered a manual transmission in it, but the quality of it is sub-par. Much worse than the Honda and Toyota that I've owned in the past.

Besides the alignment and suspension issues which Mazda conveniently denies exist, there is the floor mat that keeps sliding under the clutch. What I find worst of all though is the really soft plastic in the interior. Tons of scratches through everyday usage - scratches that are not in my Honda and were never in my Toyota (which I sold when I bought the Mazda). The interior just feels... cheap.

That being said, it is the best value for a vehicle that will hold at least six people. But when I buy my next vehicle it will be a 5-person sedan, and there is no way I would consider Mazda.
The Mz5 leaves me feeling exactly the same and I also feel the same about Honda and Toyota quality of the past. I just test drove a 2009 Fit Sport MT yesterday and the interior fabric and plastics (while hard) is noticeable better than the Mz5 -it's a sub-compact!.. We are adding this to our stable for the wife :) That shifter and avg ~35 MPG is damn tempting tho clutch and steering feel is not as precise. If she doesn't like it, I'm seriously thinking about keeping it for myself and selling the Mz5 to get her something else (she does not like the Mz5)... But I have so many things planned for the Mz5 granted a good amount is fixing crap that I find sub-standard stock.


Already have my first Fit mod planned -CDV delete to give the clutch better feel (common complaint). This thing sings 3900RPM at 80MPH but that little 1.5L motor sounds a hell lot better than Mazdas Next up, a Pivot throttle controller. I really need to stop tinkering with cars...
 
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there is the floor mat that keeps sliding under the clutch. What I find worst of all though is the really soft plastic in the interior.

The assembly that keeps my floormat in place just fell apart the other day, I have to get some parts to fix it which should hopefully be cheap. Before that, it was fine, other than the fact that the OE all weather mats are just junk.

Considering that we got an MPV at the same price point as the Mazda 3 with the same set of features, I'm frankly not all that surprised they cut corners somewhere. My wife and I are looking at a new Mazda 3 and a used minivan of some sort, still haven't decided which one yet maybe MPV, Sienna, or even Odyssey if I can figure out if the transmission problem is not as widespread as I thought. The 5 has been a really great only vehicle but we're getting to the point where we need two vehicles.
 
Yes I would buy another Mazda. We have a family history with Mazda's including the 4 we own currently and others in the past. 1991 Miata, 1993 B2600i, 2007 Mazdaspeed 3, and 2007 Cx7. I live in Flat Rock MI a mile from Auto Alliance where the Mazda 6, 626, Mx6, Probe, Cougar, and the Mustang have been built. Both my father and Mother have worked there. I think their quality is just as good as, and sometimes better than any Honda, Toyota, Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Hyundai... whatever and has had great styling throughout the years. I have never had any major issues with any of them besides normal wear and tear along with a few recalls that have always been fixed. Maybe I'm a little biased, but that does not keep me from noticing quality of others, we've owned a number of vehicles non-Mazda's as well without problems, American and Foreign. In my opinion, there is no "One" superior better brand over another. I've always had good experience with Mazda along with the support of my family through employment. Correct Mazda is leaving this plant for Mexico, but that does not mean I will Stop buy one of their products.
 
I never though about what they are doing with manufacturing now their Ford joint venture is mostly over and no longer share manufacturing facilities. If they are moving all manufacturing to Mexico, they will be on the bottom of my short list of considerations. You can transfer knowledge and equipment but work culture and attention to detail does not go along as easily maybe in time but not yet. A big reason why I went with the Mazda5 is due it being Mazda in Japan.

That's why I picked it. Mazda MX-3's are made in Japan while Toyota could barely promise me that anything of theirs still is. Now my problem is getting the "Chilton" or the "Haynes" for it and finding someone who can DO the work on it like I had with my lifetime of Toyotas.
 
Mazda has to fix two issues before I buy another one. If I was leasing and only planning to keep it for under 4 years it would be fine, but then that's the plan many people follow when they decide to get a BMW/Audi/MB. In my experience (this is my first Mazda) and research (friends and family with Mazdas), they fall short of my Honda/Toyota benchmarks.

1. Premature Rust (chassis, subframes, bolts and other hardware)
2. Thin paint (which is very prone to chipping)
 
Yup, I would definitely buy another Mazda, but I buy all my cars with modification potential in mind. If I see something that can be fixed, and that "can" for me is usually quite a bit more difficult than most people are willing to do, then it's a non-issue for me. Crappy OEM suspension? Just dump it all and replace. I saw my 5 as the best family hauler with good driving dynamics that was available in stick, so I bought it. I'd still consider a Miata or RX-8 with a dead engine as well.
 
The 5 is the first Mazda vehicle for me. I bought it used @94k kilometers and have owned it for almost 6 months now. I don’t think I’m in a position to give a recommendation yet so it’s a maybe for me. I’ll have a better idea after a couple of years.

So far, everything is great accept for the crappy suspension, which I’m in the process of getting fixed…hopefully.

Now had I done my homework and found the 5 had crappy suspension prior to buying it, I would’ve probably opted for a Sienna or a small SUV.
 
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The Mz5 leaves me feeling exactly the same and I also feel the same about Honda and Toyota quality of the past. I just test drove a 2009 Fit Sport MT yesterday and the interior fabric and plastics (while hard) is noticeable better than the Mz5 -it's a sub-compact!.. We are adding this to our stable for the wife :) That shifter and avg ~35 MPG is damn tempting tho clutch and steering feel is not as precise. If she doesn't like it, I'm seriously thinking about keeping it for myself and selling the Mz5 to get her something else (she does not like the Mz5)... But I have so many things planned for the Mz5 granted a good amount is fixing crap that I find sub-standard stock.

haha...welcome to the Fit family. Definitely better interior quality and I actually think the steering is more precise than the 5's. My wife, who isn't much of a car person, finds the 5 sloppy in comparison to the Fit...and the 5 is pretty decent itself.

On the other hand, the 5 is a much more comfortable highway cruiser than the Fit. The Fit gets punishing after a while. I've heard the new sound deadening in the 2012s makes a reasonable difference. The 5 is still our long-distance car.

I'd definitely consider another Mazda...would consider the Mazda2 if I didn't have a teenager. Adults need to fit in the back comfortably. I had a '99 Protege for ten years and while I maintained it well, the car also gave me little trouble. I just heard from the guy I sold it to and he says it's still running great.
 
haha...welcome to the Fit family. Definitely better interior quality and I actually think the steering is more precise than the 5's. My wife, who isn't much of a car person, finds the 5 sloppy in comparison to the Fit...and the 5 is pretty decent itself.

On the other hand, the 5 is a much more comfortable highway cruiser than the Fit. The Fit gets punishing after a while. I've heard the new sound deadening in the 2012s makes a reasonable difference. The 5 is still our long-distance car.

I'd definitely consider another Mazda...would consider the Mazda2 if I didn't have a teenager. Adults need to fit in the back comfortably. I had a '99 Protege for ten years and while I maintained it well, the car also gave me little trouble. I just heard from the guy I sold it to and he says it's still running great.
Woot! We have the same duo in MT! I prefer the heavier steering feel of the Mz5. The Fit suspension rides and feels tighter vs the Mz5’s poorly dampered shocks + body roll + higher CG would make it ‘feel’ sloppy in comparison. While the Fit’s doors look/feel/sound like tin cans, I feel it’s design (suspension and aero) results in less NVH than the Mz5 at HWY speed, except once past 70MPH and the little motor starts screaming to keep up but it is a nice sound, unlike the MZR’s coarse tones. If it wasn’t for engine noise for long durations, I find the Fit more confortable. The seats are definitely more confortable.

How did you like the Fit’s clutch? I noticed right away how artificial it felt. I search and found that the new master cylinders have a CDV (clutch delay valve) which supposedly helps prolong clutch life (still don’t understand how so take that with a grain of salt). The easy fix is to swap in a good old clutch master cylinder from a late 90’s Civic. Did you do this?

On another note, I finally understand the origins of my complaints on the Mz5. I was away and had a Mz6 rental for a week and started comparing the differences to my Mz5. The interior quality is what I would expect (plusher feel of the door trims, front dash, buttons, carpet, seats), the newer 2.5L pulls noticeable better and more than acceptable (automanual), and the suspension dynamics feel better and more planted too. In short, the fault of the Mz5 is that it is based on the Mz3. If Mazda has used the Mz6 platform and qualities, I’d be one very happy owner. But I do understand it will probably never sell b/c it would compete at the price point of full size Minivans. Oh well, I’ll just have to live with it till the kids get a little older and I don’t need sliding doors.
 
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How did you like the Fit’s clutch? I noticed right away how artificial it felt. I search and found that the new master cylinders have a CDV (clutch delay valve) which supposedly helps prolong clutch life (still don’t understand how so take that with a grain of salt). The easy fix is to swap in a good old clutch master cylinder from a late 90’s Civic. Did you do this?

Fit's clutch is annoying but I haven't done anything about it. I do know about the CDV and don't understand it. Agree with you that it's quieter than the 5 at highway speeds if it weren't for the engine, although at this point, we've got the 5 loaded up with a roof rack and whatever fits on it, so it's not a fair comparison. :)

The 5 is definitely built to a price point, but it's a brilliant design and despite the cheap interior and underdeveloped suspension bits, the drivetrain is sound. Original brakes, too, at 75K, although I was just told that I may need to replace the front pads in about 10K. Sliding doors rule.
 
yes sir...have had mazda vehicles since '94 and none of them had let me down. my p5 had over 200,000 miles on it before i swap'd it for a mazda 3 and i still could have kept it going. good cars.
 
Always loved Mazda since the day I first saw the 87 5dr 626 GT Turbo. Here is my dealing with my Mazdas:

1991 - 91 New 626 GT Turbo Hatchback flipped racing my cousin 1500 miles.
1991 - 91 New Protege Red Auto Sold with 100k miles
1994 - 88 626 GT Hatchback Turbo traded
1995 - 94 Probe GT V6(Same as a Mazda MX6) traded
1996 - 93 RX7 R1 sold
1997 - 91 626 GT Hatchback Turbo(Still own not running)
1998 - 88 626 GT Sedan Turbo Sold
1999 - 91 Escort GT (Same as Mazda Protege) sold

I have also have bought and sold a couple of MX6 GT Turbos, one Probe GT Turbo, one 88 323 GT Turbo, 91 Miata, 96 Miata and a 03 Mazdaspeed Protege.

I currently own what is under my username and will be looking to get another Miata or something Skyactive Turbo Diesel.
 
I voted NO. There is nothing in mazda's stable that interests me. Im still gonna keep my wmzda5 till it drops to the ground. Right now I'm eyeing the new Scion FR-S for my DD.
 
What is the difference between the 5 sport and 5 touring models? I'm in the market and I really like the 5 because it isn't a huge minivan and the setups some of you have are really cool. I have 1 baby and another on the way but I still want a semi cool ride. My 2 door coupe Accord isn't cutting it anymore.
 
Unfortunately probably not. I love my Mz5 but My next vehicle is likely to be something like the Jeep Patriot as Mazda droped the Tribute and doesnt offer any AWD/4WD products with a manual transmission currently
 

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