Please Read! (about ephedrine in the news)

[JunkPunch]

big_ben - I'm not saying this as a slam, but you need to do some reading, for your own safety. Aspirin does NOT contain large amounts of caffeine by itself. They are 2 completely different substances. Some BRANDS of aspirin contain caffeine (like Excedrin). They add caffeine because caffeine makes some pain killers more effective.

CivicEater - how much herbacides/pesticides and genetically modified food do you think you eat in a week? Do you think you are better off because you only eat vegetables?

 

[CivicEater]

i am not saying that vegetables are necessarily any safer than meat.. what i'm saying is that meat is unsafe..

don't try to change the subject

 

[JunkPunch]

So, if you are saying vegetables are not any safer....what is your point? Meat is unsafe, but vegetables aren't any safer? So.....?

I'm guessing you are one of the vegetarians that believes the average American has 8 pounds of undigested meat in their intestines, and all the other standard vegetarian rhetoric? Your "longer intestines" statement makes me think so.

 

[blynzoo]

blynzoo,

Now you're doing it. Ephedrine is "Anti-catabolic." That means it is muscle-sparing. That's the reason it is the bodybuilder's thermogenic of choice.

You just wrote that ephedrine CAUSES heart problems. Where is the supporting scientific evidence? Don't you think more educated people than you or I have been searching for a link between the two?

The trainer I spoke to told me that the diet pills (and it may be another agent, not the ephedrine) encourages catabolism. Is this not true? I apologize.

And to the 2nd email... indeed, pseudoephedrine in everything from Sudafed to Contac is used to make meth. I was including pseudoephedrine with ephedrine. They are both used. My bad for not being clearer.

I have no beef with the product itself, as I said I tried it (and hell, I use Sudafed). However some law enforcement is behind this bill. This is because soon products that contain pseudoephedrine (which is used much more often in meth production because it is easily extractable through an alcohol-separation process) will have an agent in them that prevents meth makers from extracting it, which means they will all turn to supplements.
I myself again am neutral on the drug itself.

 

[shaunmp5]

blynzoo,

I apologize if my previous posts sounded a little "pissy." I was slightly irritated with a previous poster who was talking out of his anal cavity.

I agree with you about the reasoning behind the legislation. (You would know this stuff better than I would. I talk to supplement companies all day.)

Your body has two fuel sources (fat and glycogen/glucose) before it will resort to burning muscle for energy. Thermogenic is really just a fancy word for "heat." That's what stimulants do, they heat you up and supress the urge to overeat. (Guess that's why there's no such thing as a "fat" crack addict!)

By the way, I don't even use ephedra nor do I recommend it to my clients. Not for safety issues, but because I find that it becomes a mental "crutch."

Anyway, sorry if my tone sounded a lil' harsh.

 

[big_ben]

So much to reply to.

CivicEater,
I'm sorry, guy, but your post is absurd.......Meat rotting inside the body? Your body completely acidifies meat before it ever gets to your intestines.

No, actually, he's right. Some meat does not get digested. This is why when you do colonics, you get a lot of stuff that is very "tar-like" that comes out, this is undigested meat. John wayne had over 20lbs of undigested red meat in his intestinal tract when they did the autopsy on him after his death. Now there's a disgusting tidbit of info. But I do agree that his view is a bit extreme, but a lot of it is correct. This is why I mainly eat chicken and fish.

Methamphetamine, the fastest-growing drug in the US, cannot be made without ephedrine.

Meth-amphetamine is not made from ephedra in the supplement form. The supplement form of ephedra costs entirely too much to cook down. There is also not enough ephedra in supplements to make it worth their while to cook it down into meth. Meth is made from prescription forms of ephedra only.

big_ben - I'm not saying this as a slam, but you need to do some reading, for your own safety. Aspirin does NOT contain large amounts of caffeine by itself. They are 2 completely different substances. Some BRANDS of aspirin contain caffeine (like Excedrin). They add caffeine because caffeine makes some pain killers more effective.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Asprin DOES contain caffeine because that is the major active ingretient in Asprin. Maybe you should do some homework. I'll school you up really quick.
Headaches are caused by blood vessels in the brain contracting and slowing bloodflow. This is painful. Caffein causes blood vessels to expand. this is why caffein causes the heart rate to increase, the same thing that ephedra does. Caffein IS NOT just a catalyst, it is the main active ingredient in Asprine. READ THE LABEL. Do you see where it ways "willow bark extract", THAT'S CAFFEIN.

By the way, you can also synthesize methamphetamine from "Sudafed." (Pseudoephedrine) But that doesn't mean that comparing the two have ANY relevance whatsoever!

Pseudo-ephedrine and ephedrine are totally different. "Psuedo" means "not real" or "false". Sudafed doesn't contain ephedrine at all.

 

[JunkPunch]

No, actually, he's right. Some meat does not get digested. This is why when you do colonics, you get a lot of stuff that is very "tar-like" that comes out, this is undigested meat. John wayne had over 20lbs of undigested red meat in his intestinal tract when they did the autopsy on him after his death. Now there's a disgusting tidbit of info. But I do agree that his view is a bit extreme, but a lot of it is correct. This is why I mainly eat chicken and fish.

I eat a lot of meat. Beef, pork, chicken, etc. And I've SEEN the inside of my colon and intestines (colonoscopy). Guess what? There isn't any undigested meat in there. That is a complete myth. If John Wayne had 20 pounds of meat in his intestine, then he must have eaten 20 pounds of meat in the last couple days.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Asprin DOES contain caffeine because that is the major active ingretient in Asprin. Maybe you should do some homework. I'll school you up really quick.
Headaches are caused by blood vessels in the brain contracting and slowing bloodflow. This is painful. Caffein causes blood vessels to expand. this is why caffein causes the heart rate to increase, the same thing that ephedra does. Caffein IS NOT just a catalyst, it is the main active ingredient in Asprine. READ THE LABEL. Do you see where it ways "willow bark extract", THAT'S CAFFEIN.

I'm not sure what label you are looking at. Pick up a bottle of Anacin. What are the active ingredients? 400mg aspirin, 32mg caffeine. See how those are different things?

The active ingredient in aspirin is acetylsalicylic acid. It is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHEMICAL COMPOUND than caffeine. Aspirin's chemical formula is C9H804. Caffeine's chemical formula is C8H10N4O2. Willow bark contains salicin, which is the natural form of acetylsalicylic acid. It also contains caffeine. It also contains a lot of other stuff.

Before you "school" someone you should make sure you aren't making yourself look like an idiot.

 

[shaunmp5]

Big_Ben,

Please know what you are talking about before you argue my views. I said that one can derive methamphetamine from Pseudoephedrine. I am correct.

Also, I never said anything about converting herbal ephedra into meth. I said "ephedrine."

Do you even know what ephedra contains? Ephedrine AND pseudoephedrine. And, yes, pseudoephedrine is a central nervous system stimulant.

Oh, and feel free to post a "John Wayne Autopsy Report." Don't believe every urban legend you hear.

And JunkPunch is right on his aspirin information. In fact, he's the only other guy on this thread making any sense!

Seriosly, you are WAY OFF.