noob question about the msp hard pipes
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sigh aftermarket parts always could cause damage.. stock parts can cause damage...
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Wham Bam thank you Ma'am
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- VRM MS6, Sunlight Silver MSP
yes you can use the stock ic with the hard pipes if that is what you want, don't expect huge gains but a smoother ride.Blaznmsp said:
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Heat soak is when the Intercooler is not able to disipate the heat that is coming in
"It is Soaked With Heat"
Basically, The intercooler is able to cool the air for a short time, then it becomes so overwhelmed with hot air that the air charge is simply able to pass into the rest of your intake system un-cooled.
Could cause serious problems such as Pre-Ignition/Detonation.
Detonation (also called "spark knock") is an erratic form of combustion that can cause head gasket failure as well as other engine damage. Detonation occurs when excessive heat and pressure in the combustion chamber cause the air/fuel mixture to autoignite. This produces multiple flame fronts within the combustion chamber instead of a single flame kernel. When these multiple flames collide, they do so with explosive force that produces a sudden rise in cylinder pressure accompanied by a sharp metallic pinging or knocking noise. The hammer-like shock waves created by detonation subject the head gasket, piston, rings, spark plug and rod bearings to severe overloading.
Mild or occasional detonation can occur in almost any engine and usually causes no harm. But prolonged or heavy detonation can be very damaging. So if you hear knocking or pinging when accelerating or lugging your engine, you probably have a detonation problem.
"It is Soaked With Heat"
Basically, The intercooler is able to cool the air for a short time, then it becomes so overwhelmed with hot air that the air charge is simply able to pass into the rest of your intake system un-cooled.
Could cause serious problems such as Pre-Ignition/Detonation.
Detonation (also called "spark knock") is an erratic form of combustion that can cause head gasket failure as well as other engine damage. Detonation occurs when excessive heat and pressure in the combustion chamber cause the air/fuel mixture to autoignite. This produces multiple flame fronts within the combustion chamber instead of a single flame kernel. When these multiple flames collide, they do so with explosive force that produces a sudden rise in cylinder pressure accompanied by a sharp metallic pinging or knocking noise. The hammer-like shock waves created by detonation subject the head gasket, piston, rings, spark plug and rod bearings to severe overloading.
Mild or occasional detonation can occur in almost any engine and usually causes no harm. But prolonged or heavy detonation can be very damaging. So if you hear knocking or pinging when accelerating or lugging your engine, you probably have a detonation problem.
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- 2003 Subaru WRX Wagon, 2000 Miata
Blaznmsp said:
First .....
next, getting hardpipes will not affect your intake temperatures. the intercooler will attempt to cool the intake air. but because of it's small and inefficient design, it doesn't do a very good job. so getting just the hardpipes will just smoothen out the route the air will take from the turbo to intercooler to intake manifold. if you get the turbohoses smic or something similar, then you will notice an increase in power from the extra cooling.
ChopstickHero said:First .....
next, getting hardpipes will not affect your intake temperatures. the intercooler will attempt to cool the intake air. but because of it's small and inefficient design, it doesn't do a very good job. so getting just the hardpipes will just smoothen out the route the air will take from the turbo to intercooler to intake manifold. if you get the turbohoses smic or something similar, then you will notice an increase in power from the extra cooling.
ah thank u i was looking for that. anyway... so no matter what, the stock intercooler sucks and the hard pipes wont do anything to increase heat soak correct. im just getting them so i can get the bov on. i just dont want to mess anything upc
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Blaznmsp said:
Hard Pipes would help for two reasons.
1. They flow with less restriction so the Turbine would have to spool less to make the same HP.
2. They might give off heat as long as the engine bay isn't silly hot. Basically. They are a great first mod, but if you are planning to get a FMIC, then do it.
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- MP5T / 944
Blaznmsp said:
A Bigger Intercooler is a great mod, but it's normally required only if you plan to boost higher than stock..
any metal pipe will run at ~30 degrees higher.
plastic pipes were pressure tested up to 21 psi.
the only thing is that the upper pipe expands under boost.
be ready to stall with BOV, and bog after every shift because u'll be running rich as hell.
these cars were not designed to vent to atmosphere.
plastic pipes were pressure tested up to 21 psi.
the only thing is that the upper pipe expands under boost.
be ready to stall with BOV, and bog after every shift because u'll be running rich as hell.
these cars were not designed to vent to atmosphere.
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- 2003 Subaru WRX Wagon, 2000 Miata
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- MP5T / 944
Reculate unless you plan to move the MAF.
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- 2003 Subaru WRX Wagon, 2000 Miata
Dr.Sound said:
when you getting yours Vic? you're gonna love it.
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