NEWS! Apex'i S-AFC II will work

[MSP Chris]

So I take it that getting you guys the pin setup for a Focus SVT or any other focus would'nt help? I do work at ford you know, so I have access to wiring diagrams with voltage specs. / readings and what not.

 

[xelderx]

...Our OBDII ECU will not allow the Apexi to do its job. End of story.

jred321

I requote myself...maybe it wasn't clear the first time. As I was saying in the other post. The A-Spec ECU won't work, but the J-spec ECU will. You keep wanting to generalize this as an issue on all cars. I'm not discussing anything other than our Mazdas. The J-spec/OBDI will work. The A-spec OBDII which sits in your Mazdaspeed will not work. If you bought the J-spec/OBDI ECU you would be able to benefit from the Apexi in your Mazda. But you have the Ford ECU, just like the rest of us and it just isn't going to work. I'm sorry that you didn't buy an Eclipse.

 

[Striker187]

so for those of us with the injen cai, will the 80mm maf fit? i'm not quite sure how big the piping is on the injen...it's right around 3" though (76.2mm).

 

[aftershock63]

If it works on the new civics there is a way to get it to work wiht are cars. I'm sure it will work on other OBDII why can't it work on ares. just because there not a direct diagram for it doesn't mean it won't work. It will work it just takes some modification.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

he's got a point. i've used them on 2000 EX's before..OBD-II..I'm sure it can work with some minor tweaking.

 

[flat_black]

Man, when you put it that way, it seems to make such sense. Damn you and your illogical logic! Hehee... Well, I guess I may as well just try it at some point, when I have some cash to do so.

 

[xelderx]

I called Apexi in 2001 when I bought my Pro5 and discussed all of this with them. They had no idea if it would work on our cars or not. Then it was proven that it wouldn't work. I'm sure there are ways that you can trick the MAF signal into displaying the right readings for the Apexi, but this is not going to be a plug and play unit. With the prices that have been quoted for pairing this up with a new MAF and a piggyback of some sort, not to mention the cost of time involved to figure it all out...you could just about by a stand alone microtech and have infinetly better results in the long run since since its capability is pretty limitless.

 

[perfworks]

So I take it that getting you guys the pin setup for a Focus SVT or any other focus would'nt help? I do work at ford you know, so I have access to wiring diagrams with voltage specs. / readings and what not.

they do use an EEC V computer but they are different
the readings will not help sorry.

 

[perfworks]

so for those of us with the injen cai, will the 80mm maf fit? i'm not quite sure how big the piping is on the injen...it's right around 3" though (76.2mm).

yes nick has adapter couplings that can be used to add the MAF to the end of the piping. It will not be in the middle of the piping like it is now.

 

[perfworks]

If it works on the new civics there is a way to get it to work wiht are cars. I'm sure it will work on other OBDII why can't it work on ares. just because there not a direct diagram for it doesn't mean it won't work. It will work it just takes some modification.

hondas use map sensors.
sorry try again

 

[perfworks]

I called Apexi in 2001 when I bought my Pro5 and discussed all of this with them. They had no idea if it would work on our cars or not. Then it was proven that it wouldn't work. I'm sure there are ways that you can trick the MAF signal into displaying the right readings for the Apexi, but this is not going to be a plug and play unit. With the prices that have been quoted for pairing this up with a new MAF and a piggyback of some sort, not to mention the cost of time involved to figure it all out...you could just about by a stand alone microtech and have infinetly better results in the long run since since its capability is pretty limitless.

the point is that the APEX output has to be related to the output the ECU wants to see.
a stand alone is only good when used in parallel with the stock ecu. YOU WILL NEVER pass any emmisions testsif it is not. PERIOD
THEY do NOT have OBDI or II. the hookups at the stations REQUIRE this. the piggyback offered is just like a stand alone. IT does the SAME things just WITH YOUR sensors. NOT a map sensor and different coolant and TPS. Take it from someone who has already worked with the majority of other units out there. Nothing is simpler and more cost effective than a piggyback that can control fuel and ignition along with 6 additional injectors. The only sensor you would upgrade is the MAF, which will help INCREASE performance.

You get the benifit of every day drivability and performance on demand.
My two cents. You all have your own mind, i can only help from experience. ive been down this road a long time and alot of times. Just ask linux he knows the whole story.
if you want to have a clear mind dont fool with ridding yourself of the stock ECU. JUST " modify" it so it can see your point of view

 

[jred321]

jred321

I requote myself...maybe it wasn't clear the first time. As I was saying in the other post. The A-Spec ECU won't work, but the J-spec ECU will. You keep wanting to generalize this as an issue on all cars. I'm not discussing anything other than our Mazdas. The J-spec/OBDI will work. The A-spec OBDII which sits in your Mazdaspeed will not work. If you bought the J-spec/OBDI ECU you would be able to benefit from the Apexi in your Mazda. But you have the Ford ECU, just like the rest of us and it just isn't going to work. I'm sorry that you didn't buy an Eclipse.

and i keep saying that the obdII part of the ecu isn't the part that matters at all. it could be obd0 for all it matters, it's just our ecu, which just happens to be obdII. the obd system involved has nothing to do with why this doesn't work. they are 2 separate things. just because the one that does work happens to be obdI is merely coincidence.

 

[Striker187]

yes nick has adapter couplings that can be used to add the MAF to the end of the piping. It will not be in the middle of the piping like it is now.

so i assume you have a part to replace the section where the maf is currently? and will the filter still fit down there? i know it was a pretty tight fit before but with the maf down there, will we still have room?

 

[xelderx]

YOU WILL NEVER pass any emmisions testsif it is not. PERIOD

I've never had an inspection where they hooked up to my data port on the car. This seems to be a non-issue with my inspection procedure even though they still require full emmisions testing. I still get the probe up the tail pipe. I guess we are discussing something that doesn't apply to everyone and therefore there is no singular answer for everyone.

Also regarding the OBDI/OBDII discussion. I think we are both saying the same things, just worded different. I was making more of a point regarding A-spec/J-spec...and you were working on a larger scale. I think my post might have been clearer if I used A-spec/J-spec wording instead of OBDI/OBDII wording. I incorrectly always assume that everyone knows that I'm not generalizing and that I'm always talking about Mazdas.

 

[Vapor]

I would probably buy perfworks piggyback, but I never get a reply from Modern Performance....

 

[perfworks]

I would probably buy perfworks piggyback, but I never get a reply from Modern Performance....

how are you contacting them and what number do you have?