need some help on EMS

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MSP
hey everyone
i am looking to get a ems or afc for my 03.5 msp
current upgrades are injen cai and a front mount intercooler
what would you guys recommend?
i want something that will givea a car a lil bit more power.
 
id say the haltech platinum sprint 500. that is if your not gonna do a crazy ass build.
 
sounds like a split second AFC is right up your alley. what are you looking to do long term and how much are you willing to spend on EMS now
 
i really dont wonna spend alot of money on one but i want somethin that will give a car a lil better response/power...
i might go with a exhaust system and few other bolt on things but i i am not planning on touching internals or tranny.
 
Split Second is the tried and true method on this board, Unichip is another great unit but you have to take it in to be tuned, where the split second you can do yourself.
IMHO.
The AEM is where it's at!!! Great bang for the buck EMS. The problem is that it was late to the MSP show so the split second has way more help and a deeper resource and tune bank here. The good news is that recently there have been several members that have forged along with the AEM and have posted all the trials and tribulations making it easier for the rest of us. I think there might even be a How too now
 
Essentially, if your not going for large numbers, or a build to support it get the split second AFC. The reason i recommend that over the AEM is cause the AFC has more support here. Support is very important if you are new to tuning. The AFC's base map is pretty good to. I havent messed with the AEM unit but i know its not as common so if you hit a snag and need help, it might leave you down for a bit (same with haltech). AEM and Haltec both make great units, so im not putting them down but as i said, the support just isnt there (on here, for free).

Basically, what these fuel controller units do, is take the incoming signal from your stock ECU, and then it modifies it and sends the corrected signal out to the engine and its components (injectors). So you technically highjack the ecu and put in your own numbers. The nice thing about the AFC, AEM, and Haltec units is you can change these values yourself. With the Unichip you have to pay each time you tune it, and that will happen quite often if you dont have all the parts you want yet.

Its not hard to tune IF you have a basic understanding of how it works and move in small increments. The hardest part of tuning is coming up with the base map (the map which basically allows the car to run close to stock). Since its already in the AFC, the hard part is done. Now you just make logs of runs, monitor the air fuel ratios, and see where it needs to be adjusted. This is done via a grid (called fuel table) in the split second software. you adjust the numbers up and down to get the correct air fuel ratio for your setup.

Im not going to lie, its not someing you want to just put in anything and see how it goes, you can definately do some damage. If you make small changes, do it slow, you will be ok. I highly recomend a boost gauge, and a wideband 02 gauge before you start any tuning. The AFC's base map is pretty good and you should be safe but dont change any numbers till you can see what your doing.
 
thanks..that was some good info..
the split second is probably the way i am gonna go..
and i have a boost gauge and a af gauge but i need to get a wideband o2 sensor so thats like 150 bucks....
so do you think with my mods ill get a prett good gain?
 
The thing about a solid tune is that it will allow you to increase your boost (slightly) safely. I would consider an exhaust as well. atleast an upgraded midpipe. If your area doesn't do sniff tests for emissions, consider a catless version.
To be perfectly honest with only the 2 mods you have you really don't need an EMS. The tune on the MSP isn't all that bad. I ran my GT28RS with all my mods on the stock ECU map for almost a year with any issues and the car pulled great. I kow guys running Gt28rs's with full mods and much higher boost then me on the stock ECU. He's been running that car hard for years without any issues.
You can probably put the money to better use elsewhere on the car for the time being.
1. Midpipe/ full exhaust
2. Motor mounts
3. Upgraded WGA
4. one step colder plugs
5. Wideband
 
The thing about a solid tune is that it will allow you to increase your boost (slightly) safely. I would consider an exhaust as well. atleast an upgraded midpipe. If your area doesn't do sniff tests for emissions, consider a catless version.
To be perfectly honest with only the 2 mods you have you really don't need an EMS. The tune on the MSP isn't all that bad. I ran my GT28RS with all my mods on the stock ECU map for almost a year with any issues and the car pulled great. I kow guys running Gt28rs's with full mods and much higher boost then me on the stock ECU. He's been running that car hard for years without any issues.
You can probably put the money to better use elsewhere on the car for the time being.
1. Midpipe/ full exhaust
2. Motor mounts
3. Upgraded WGA
4. one step colder plugs
5. Wideband


Based on the AFR's that people with a stock tune have reported, the stock tune IS that bad, and I'm gonna go ahead and say that the only reason you saw decent AFR's with the gt28rs on stock ECU is because it flows more CFM than the stock turbo @ the same psi level. Any tune that has AFR's of 10 and lower, is terrible. I think either the AFC or some exhaust work would be a good choice.

I'd cut your list down to Either: exhaust work, tune, or wideband. The actuator is fine, Mazda just hooked it up wrong...(shouldn't see vacuum), and colder plugs are not even close to necessary at this point.
 
The GT28RS does flow more CFM so it will lean out the tune, as you said. The stock MSP tune is terrible by any standards. Mine dipped below 9.3 freqently, and without load (going up a hill), it doesnt always drop from 14.7 when you hit boost like it should. On a stock dyno mine didnt dump fuel till 4k and i was well into boost by then.

I personally feel tuning is one of the first few mods that should be done, as long as the build stays within the scope of a fuel controller. If your doing standalone EMS, then, well it doesnt matter since your starting all over.

Based on the AFR's that people with a stock tune have reported, the stock tune IS that bad, and I'm gonna go ahead and say that the only reason you saw decent AFR's with the gt28rs on stock ECU is because it flows more CFM than the stock turbo @ the same psi level. Any tune that has AFR's of 10 and lower, is terrible. I think either the AFC or some exhaust work would be a good choice.

I'd cut your list down to Either: exhaust work, tune, or wideband. The actuator is fine, Mazda just hooked it up wrong...(shouldn't see vacuum), and colder plugs are not even close to necessary at this point.
 
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