MZR in MSP, P5 or Protege?

[spacemonkey]

WEll I was just wondering if there is a interest on this and if it could be done.

I feel that its a damn good engine considering what can be done. It has the same power with a bit more torque and bound to get excellent gas milage. And it looks like a boosted engine that can easily take 300 hp with some modification. Would be a nice project if the engine fits.

Im jsut so use to seeing old hondas with K20s and various DSMs with different generations 4g engines.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

anything is possible with alot of money - the layout of the engine itself is radically different than the FS engine and would require tons of custom work to get it in the car

 

[Zhan]

Are there any engines similar to the FS in terms of layout and of the engine itself?

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Are there any engines similar to the FS in terms of layout and of the engine itself?

i just realized i screwed up that part of my sentence lol thanks

 

[Zhan]

Haha, my question still stands though... Are there any engines similar in layout to the FS - i.e. would be an "easy" swap?

 

[Captain KRM P5]

not really, the FSZE from japan would bolt in but without all the JDM wiring and electronics it would do you no good

 

[Zhan]

Oh well, according to http://web2.airmail.net/theman/protegefaq/engine.html it doesn't seem to be much of an upgrade over the MSP setup, anyways. About equal HP, less torque, and higher compression ratio so it's maybe harder to boost (or does it have stronger internals)?

I was just curious because all my friend talks about is a swap for his Civic. =P

 

[spacemonkey]

Oh well, according to http://web2.airmail.net/theman/protegefaq/engine.html it doesn't seem to be much of an upgrade over the MSP setup, anyways. About equal HP, less torque, and higher compression ratio so it's maybe harder to boost (or does it have stronger internals)?

I was just curious because all my friend talks about is a swap for his Civic. =P

I realize you can do it if you want to throw money. im just questioning if its as easy as engine mounts, custom exhaust and custom radiator hose. I guess I dont know if its dramatically different but it is a good engine. Iw as thinking they were similar enough for maybe those who are interested to persue it...and wouldnt be that hard of a swap. But then again I know nothing about the engine. New engine + turbo kit maybe a good chunk of change and maybe impractical for alot of us. But eventually when the car ages it could be a popular swap.

Thinking that the Mazdaspeed 6 has 276 hp and 280 lbs of torque with a DI head. And the MAzdaspeed 3 rumored to have 250 hp without the DI head. Its aluminum block but I think it can easily handle 300 hp. You know how MAzda always engineer there cars with big margin of safety so if the MS6 can boost up to 276 hp im sure it can actually handle more. Its the same MZR engine but 2.3L. It is aluminum block but the Mazdaspeed cars all have the same high compression MZR. And I beleive its also specially coated from factory...well thats what they claim about the 2.0L version in the MX-5

 

[Zhan]

I realize you can do it if you want to throw money. im just questioning if its as easy as engine mounts, custom exhaust and custom radiator hose. I guess I dont know if its dramatically different but it is a good engine. Iw as thinking they were similar enough for maybe those who are interested to persue it...and wouldnt be that hard of a swap. But then again I know nothing about the engine. New engine + turbo kit maybe a good chunk of change and maybe impractical for alot of us. But eventually when the car ages it could be a popular swap.

I was talking about the FS-ZE engine. As for the rest, including the MZR, I think they're drastically different from our 3rd gen Protege engines. I looked at Corksport's JDM engine page for reference - It lists the cars the engines COULD be installed into and even then half of them were asterisked (*) in that they're still a hard fit... And the 1999+ Protege only showed up under the FS-ZE.

Edit - Just noticed this:

You know how MAzda always engineer there cars with big margin of safety so if the MS6 can boost up to 276 hp im sure it can actually handle more.

(smoke)

 

[Captain KRM P5]

custom engine mounts, custom exhaust, custom fuel system (the mazda3 uses a returnless system, the engine is mounted reverse of our own, etc) to say the least. it would not be near the realm of easy. custom engine management (the ecu and wiring system is radically different).

the FSZE would be more difficult to boost properly thanks to its high compression. less overall torque would put it into a slower acceleration category than a mazdaspeed.

personally i want to see someone shove a KLZE into one of these cars.

 

[Matrix]

Is Mazda still making the FE3?

 

[peter25]

Im interested in putting a MZR engine in my 2001 protge as a DIY car project Would it be possible to buy a salvaged Mazdaspeed 3 and just put the components into a protege? I know there would be custom elements like engine mounts And etc

 

[StealthWyvern]

Im interested in putting a MZR engine in my 2001 protge as a DIY car project Would it be possible to buy a salvaged Mazdaspeed 3 and just put the components into a protege? I know there would be custom elements like engine mounts And etc

Its possible with enough tiem and money. If you had a complete donor car it would be easier. and holy old thread bumpage. lol

 

[peter25]

Lol I've searched the internetz far and wide and this was the most relevant thread I could find

 

[BRIAN_MP5T]

Less talking... More engine swapping...

 

[peter25]

I am going to school for auto services I'll have pics when I'm done it maybe a year or so

 

[jeffmsp]

having swapped a motor from a different gen mazda into my speed here is some things to consider.

1. can you even line up the drivetrain with the wheel assemblies without binding an axle from having the engine too far forward or does the firewall get in the way (very real possibility, from what I have read newer 2.3/2.5 focus/maz3/maz6 guys have issues with the firewall when they try to bolt in ms3/ms6 turbo kits)
2. is the wheel base the same between the two cars? If not you need custom axles
3. does the ms3 axle slide into your protege wheel assembly. If not you need custom axles
4. Does the drivetrain allow itself to align in such a way both horizontally and vertically that the axles do not bind during lock to lock turning (a very real and serious issue to consider, the engine being too high/low for the axles etc)
5. Can you physically close the hood with the mzr engine in place? if not you need a solution
6. are you ready to build or pay the bill for a custom crossmember and custom engine/trans mounts? (not as easy or cheap as it sounds)
7. have you looked into potential fuel system issues IE returnless fuel system, DISI primary high pressure pump operating with protege in tank low pressure pump? No clue what the in take pump requirements are for a disi setup so I am no help there


just adding the cost of axles and a crossmember would make me think very seriously about buying a new, better car lol


these are just some of the "initial" issues that come to mind. there are 100 other issues such as wiring a stand alone to run the engine (or a complete wiring harness/ecu swap) then getting all the gauges to function properly etc.

 

[peter25]

That's a real eye opener. Looks like I'll just keep my protege for my daily driver. Or look into a turbo kit.

 

[tweety2300]

Custom axles run 300-800 depending how strong you want them, wiring isn't a huge issue if you use a stand alone, mounts I'm not sure about as I won't be making mine, and since mounts are custom you can have them put the motor wherever you need it. Obviously a s*** ton of fabbing stuff but you make it sound 100x harder and more complicated than it is. You can get a block of steel for a couple hundred bucks and cut out a custom crossmember

First go find an ms3 and take measurements to make sure it even fits, that's the first step, then do research on how the fuel system works, as iirc they use a high pressure system for the direct injection.

 

[mazdaspeedp]

I would say its still cheaper to just build the fs. It would be sick to do though. Just try to find a good welder for kinda cheap.