my brother in laws rsx type s!

[tritonheat1]

Good point, But i'm not overenthusiastic about the MS-P i don't know much about numbers on car's and Stuff like that. But when it comes down to who has the advantage on things like the MS-P has it goes to the MS-P. I'm not trying to have a bebate or anything, but just face it we are not running the vehicle with a calculator with &$(%. MS-P might have less HP and weigh alittle more but that's not the point here. Yes the gear ratios, 6speed tranny, and weight will go to the RSX-S, but when i-Vtec kicks in at 5600rpms, guess what there's no way it'll run past a turbo that relieves it power at 2600rpms.

and to my post about the MX-6 and SE-R specV, yes it has to do the same about the RSX-S and MS-P.

since the SPECV has more HP and CVTC it should run faster on topend like you said above. How come after 80mph i leave him like a turtle crawling.

Plus he is a damm improved good driver 2.

SE-R SspecV:
175hp vs. 145hp 6-speed tranny vs. 5-speed tranny
180lb-fts vs. 190lb-fts

but i still manage to beat him from 0-through whatever.

MS-P should be no different from the RSX-S either.

SpecV gets more HP less weight 6-speed tranny and CVTC.

RSX_S gets more HP less weight 6-speed tranny and i-Vtec.
hmmmmmm......... i think they have something in common over the 2 mazda's but still i can't figure out where the ass kicken is given at.

MS-P might be alittle underrated or there bSingggg about the HP that's advertised.

and the FACT is i smoked my friend's SpecV so get used to it. He's not a crappy driver anymore. Face it, i know there's really nothing new about the specs and numbers on the MS-P but there will be and just because the power etc... is outcomed by the RSX-S, i still think that the ms-p WILL be quicker. for example that's why i posted about the SE-R specV and MX-6.

 

[saided18]

look. i saw we suspend this debate till the MP-S comes out and it ripps the RSX-S part and then when can come back to this debate. sounds good?

 

[rsx]

We can settle this on the track right now !

oh wait, my bad, the MSP is still not available, I'll wait for you at the start line, wake me up when you get there.

(Just joking, please don't get mad , I couldn't resist )

 

[dmitrik4]

saided-

actually, i do have my degree. i graduated from Rowan with a 3.5. and if you're an Engin. major, then you understand everything i've said, right? what you said is correct, and i'm sure the MS-P might rip the S a new one up to about 25 mph, just as the wheel torque and HP numbers indicate.

but as the RECORDED TESTING indicates, after that it goes the other way. hopefully by the time you complete your education, you will be able to accept facts when you see them, even if they contradict your previously-held opinions or theories.

triton, you raise a good point about a theoretically faster car getting beat in the real world. and i'm sure that happens, but as you can see by the tests i've posted, that is not the case with these two. if you and your friend were racing an RSX-S vs. an MS-P, the results might carry some weight. as it is though, it's an interesting side discussion but in the end carries no significance here.

the MS-P is certainly a better value, and given the choice, i'd choose to buy it over the Acura. but that's not what is being argued here. what is being argued is straight-line speed, and neither you nor triton has produced any relevant facts supporting your side.

i'm sure the head-to-head comparision will happen eventually.

ok, i'm done on this thread. there are no more points for me to make. take care guys.

 

[saided18]

yeah but i don't remeber Rowan having a good M.E. program.

Why not go to NJIT or SIT??

 

[dmitrik4]

the grads working for Northrop Grumman, Sikorsky, Lockheed Martin, Sony and NASA or the ones studying at Stanford, Penn State, Georgia Tech, Princeton or Michigan might disagree. maybe i'll shoot you an email from law school next fall.

and in any case, it sounds like you don't have your degree yet, since that comment was decidedly juvenile. not to mention irrelevant.

EDIT:

:mad:

EDIT 2: deleted b/c tritonheat actually made a good point.

 

[brain]

Im impressed that Honda is making 200HP sans turbo. I know comparing the plain RSX to P5 (we own both) the RSX bends the P5 over and crams it in hard!

 

[saided18]

well shows how ignorant you and and how much you really do know.

#1. I know people that have gone to Rowan and from their accounts and alot more people Rowan is a big party school.

#2 NJIT is one of top research Univ in NJ. People like DoD, Lockhead Martain, Exxon Mobile, ATT, NASA, Rathan, Verison are conducting research at my school.

#2 was the CIA or FBI at your school recruiting students at your school this every year??

#3 Did you have profs that work at places White Sand New Mexico on the Nuclear bomb project or that worked for the DoD during the Vietnam war doing staticial analysis on weapons systems in use or one of the leader in the industry on speech recognition for computer programs or a teach working on A.I. for NASA on it's little robot cars that go to mars or work for LockHead Martian???? The list goes on.

#4 I bet you never heard of SIT. but then again i bet you never heard of places like John Jay college or Fordum (sp?) or Pace. Just b/s you never heard of a place doesn't mean any thing. just tells me how much you don't know. Please know what your talking about before you speak.
This conversation is over
thank you

 

[dmitrik4]

Originally posted by saided18
well shows how ignorant you and and how much you really do know.

#1. I know people that have gone to Rowan and from their accounts and alot more people Rowan is a big party school.

EDIT: yup.

#2 NJIT is one of top research Univ in NJ. People like DoD, Lockhead Martain, Exxon Mobile, ATT, NASA, Rathan, Verison are conducting research at my school.

do you mean VERIZON, LOCKHEED MARTIN, RAYTHEON and EXXON-MOBIL?

EDIT: yup.

#2 was the CIA or FBI at your school recruiting students at your school this every year??

EDIT: yup.

#3 Did you have profs that work at places White Sand New Mexico on the Nuclear bomb project or that worked for the DoD during the Vietnam war doing staticial analysis on weapons systems in use or one of the leader in the industry on speech recognition for computer programs or a teach working on A.I. for NASA on it's little robot cars that go to mars or work for LockHead Martian???? The list goes on.

no one works for LockHead Martian...

EDIT: yup.

#4 I bet you never heard of SIT. but then again i bet you never heard of places like John Jay college or Fordum (sp?) or Pace. Just b/s you never heard of a place doesn't mean any thing. just tells me how much you don't know. Please know what your talking about before you speak.

Yes, I've heard of Stevens -- it's a good school...I've also heard of John Jay, Pace and FORDHAM.

This conversation is over
thank you

your posts make it sound as if you have a while to go before you graduate. hopefully by then you learn how to form coherent sentences and spell more than half your words correctly.

 

[tritonheat1]

Mr Dimitrik since you act like you know it all, you sure act like a little kid, which you might be older than me but always defending things that are out of the subject and ragging about something that is not called for. "Yes good, you got your degree and you sound like a pretty smart good guy. I see that you used to own a RSX-S and i'm pretty damm sure it is quick as heck. Me myself has never driven or rode in one, but i have a friend who owns one with AEM CAI, and exhaust. He has ran'em against Integ' GS-R's with just Intake and VTEC controller, and barely beating them by half car lengh to maybe 1 car lengh. Seeing that the ITR is nearly faster than the GS-R, you quoted that you beat a Integ -R from 70-125mph, which the integ is alot lighter has better gear ratios and longer redline.


Integra Type-R: 195hp 2639lbs which breaks the HP weight ratio to 13.53


RSX Type-S: 200hp 2767lbs which breaks the HP weight ratio to 13.835

hmmmmmmmmmmmm (scratch) (thought) i remember you saying having better gear ratios , and weight ratios is the key to performance. well Sure in the heck it DOESN"T t go to the RSX-S.


Let me break down the FACTTTTTTTTTTTTTT: yes having the number's is being better but that's not the Answer here.

I beat my friends SPECV which is favored to him, But i have tooken him out everytime he tries. What i'm trying to say here is my MX-6 should be no different from the MS-P. The SPECV should be no different from the RSX-S except the #'s.

 

[dmitrik4]

EDIT: you're right.

happy?

 

[tritonheat1]

EDIT: you're right.

happy?

You betya i'm darn happy....lol hehe, anyways i have the number's that you've been waiting to see from the new mazdaspeed protege and wow Just like i said.:


Mazda Mp3....................Mazdaspeed protege

0-60mph 8.9sec............................6.5sec
1/4mile.....16.8@82.3mph.............14.9sec@93.2mph
60-0 brk.......132ft..............................124ft
slalom.............64.8mph.........................68.3mph


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0210_mazda/index.html

 

[brain]

I think your buddy with the spec v is not a good driver. I raced a spec v and got spanked, second race I almost one but only because he spun his tires in second! (wet road)

 

[tritonheat1]

I think your buddy with the spec v is not a good driver. I raced a spec v and got spanked, second race I almost one but only because he spun his tires in second! (wet road)

Like i said above before when he used to suck i would blow him out of the water by like 5 car lenghs, couple months later he has improved his skills but still cannot manage to win. I get him by 1 1/2 ta 2 car lenghs as of now, and he takes on 00 Civic Si's and Eclipse GS-T's. i own a 91 MX-6 GT which it performs well, there's no Turbo lag unless if i'm at 30mph in 4th gear which would put me at 1800rpms. but if i was in 3rd gear at 30mph the car would pull strong all the way before 500rpms before redline. Trust me he doest not suck anymore.

145Hp@4300rpms turbocharged MX-6GT
190lb-fts of torque@3500rpms
Redline: 6000rpms


175Hp@6000rpms N/A C-VTC Spec-V
180lb-fts of torque@4000rpms
Redline: 6100rpms

if you kinda see the difference in powerband.

 

[brain]

Duh, I should have read your sig, thought you had MP3.

Yah, thats believeable!

 

[tritonheat1]

I own an MP3 and MX-6 GT 2. MP3 would need a little modification before i hand him a A** whoopin. Maybe a hp header with a full-cat back, plug/wires, and flywheel and clutch. If i add those to the MP3 i definately would have a Match.(drinks)

 

[tenth]

Yes I'm bringing this thread up from the dead, but there is so much misinformed and irrelevant information being passed off as fact.

but when i-Vtec kicks in at 5600rpms, guess what there's no way it'll run past a turbo that relieves it power at 2600rpms.

1. Torque moves the wheels. If I remember correctly the RSX doesn't make less than 90% of peak wheel torque at any point in the rev range. What does this mean, the K20A2 WILL accelerate just as hard at 4000 rpms than at 8100 rpms in the same gear (same multipliers).

2. A turbocharger has very little to do when comparing two cars. You see, the turbos power production is included with the released power specs of the car. The numbers available for the car are including the turbocharger, so there's no need to bring it up.

3. The "i" portion functions completely independent from VTEC. The "i" is just the addition of VTC to VTEC. Oh and VTEC kicks in at 5800 rpms on the Type S and 2200 rpms on the Base.

 

[tenth]

bah, for anyone else that cares just read dmitrik's posts. He seems to be one of the few people that actually knows what they're talking about and the Vettenet horsepower vs. torque article he posted is a highly recommended read.

 

[tritonheat1]

Yes I'm bringing this thread up from the dead, but there is so much misinformed and irrelevant information being passed off as fact.


1. Torque moves the wheels.

K then what are you trying to say, B/C if i remember the specs on the Type-S for torque#'s are 142ft-lbs of torque, and the torque#'s for the MS-P are 160ft-lbs of torque. I think the Type-S puts out 170.8hp@wheels and 128.2ft-lbs of torque@wheels. Even though i am comparing #'s from a different source, this is what the MS-P puts out from SCC 150Hp@wheels and 150ft-lbs of torque@wheels. lets compare #'s.


Acura RSX Type-S..........................Mazdaspeed protege
200hp and 142ft-lbs of torque. 170Hp and 160ft-lbs of torque.

To the Wheels:

170.8hp and 128.2ft-lbs of torque 150Hp and 150ft-lbs of torque

200hp 142ft-lbs 170Hp 160ft-lbs
-170.8hp -128.2ft-lbs -150hp -150ft-lbs
=29.2 hp loss =13.8ft-lbs loss =20hp loss =10ft-lbs loss




overall the MS-P still makes more power through the peak which it doesn't have more Hp but makes more at the end by not losing alot of hp like the Type-S did and the Type-s loss more torque than the MS-P did. SO on #'s to the @wheels i think the MS-P is still faster than the Type-S if i'm wrong, "i'm sooooo soorrryyy, Who knows maybe there both at the same level in performance but when the real #'s show then it's a whole different ball game.

if your wondering where i got the #'s for the type-S here it is. http://www.injen.com/webpages/testing/original/_files/is1475.jp8

 

[tritonheat1]

Sorry here ya go http://www.injen.com/webpages/testing/original_files/is1475.jpg