MSP(0) Vs S200 (1)

[tonkabui]

oh, ok... here's my reasoning...

i've been in braden's car when it was boosted to 10psi and CAI. it was wonderful. puts you in the back of your seat through third. but then i also have this dentist cousin of mine who has an s2000. and in his car, after 6K rpms, you get put in the trunk. even when my dad and i went to test drive an s2000, my dad granny shifted before the 6K mark and it still was a nice rush... so it's definitely possible that you beat him... but it's more than likely that he let off cause the red light was approaching and from what you make it sound like, you guys were going pretty fast. i would let off as well if i was coming up on a red light. it saves gas and the brakes.

yea

 

[tonkabui]

oh yeah... did you guys go for round two at the red light?

 

[Caffein8d]

mazda got pwn3d by honda

and thats all i have to say.
your car is slow ... that too

 

[MrRoseBlackMSP]

no my g/f was following me home in a 94 altima so i had to turn off i wish i could have went round two would have been a better race i think, i ended up getting bitched at by her so it wasnt worht her getting lost over me racing hehe

 

[tonkabui]

huh? you're not making sense now.

mazda got pwn3d by honda

and thats all i have to say.
your car is slow ... that too

 

[MrRoseBlackMSP]

lol ok hater boy lol just playin ill still know i can hang with an S2K

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

yea..s2k's are ALWAYS loud..ive driven them..real quick..real loud..vtec monster..MSP's just arent going to take one..no way he was at WOT..or he/she just couldn't drive..either way..sometimes you get lucky

 

[ND4MSP]

I wouldn't think him hanging with an s2000 is that far fetched. Not to sound like a mag fanboy, but they make like 240 crank right? Low 14's? An msp, post flash feels more like 175-180 range, ad 2-2.5 extra pounds of boost and a CAI and maybe a half assed shift for the s2. Not like he's saying he crushed the s2000.

 

[tritonheat1]

ForcedFed, would kill or dust a S2000 and all he has is boost set to 12PSi and DP. Ran a 14flat at 100MPH. Mr.Rose has boost set to 8-9PSi with CAI and ECU Flash, I'm Pretty sure any MSP owner who had these simple small mods would beat a S2K.

 

[low_psi]

why would he lie? its VERY possible.

good kill

 

[MrRoseBlackMSP]

much abliged

 

[Formula1]

LOL , All of you sound like the S2000 is the greatest car ever. I have raced them on different occasions and I was next to each one going into 4th gear. In 4th gear they just slowly pull on me. BTW I am completely stock and this was pre-flash. The S2000 has to literally almost detonate its gearbox @ ~7,000-8,000 rpm to get those low 0-60 and 1/4 mile times all of you have seen. If they don't, they are only a high 7 low 8 sec. 0-60 mph car. If anyone calls BS on this they really don't know what they are talking about and most likely are magazine racers. Also, before anyone says, well they weren't racing etc..., 1 of those S2000 's belong to a friend of mine. I hate hearing the S2000 this and S2000 that s***. I admit that it's a nice car and that it's nice to see high HP #'s out of a small engine like that w/o FI, but it's not a rocket. Oh, has anyone looked at the TQ rating on the S2000? 153 lb. ft., That is pretty hard to work with off the line I would think. Actually I think that a stock MSP generates more TQ @ a lower RPM too?

----Enter Magazine Racer-----

MSP - 155 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm

S2000 - 153 lb-ft @ 7500 rpm

This tends to favor the MSP off the line givin that the S2000 doesn't try to grenade his transmission off the line.

Again, I am not saying that a stock MSP can beat an S2000 from 0 - 130, but I can believe anyone who says that a modified MSP can take one stop light to stop light. (w/o the MSP launching hard, I must add)

Awaitng dumb asses to call :

:bs:

LOL

 

[tritonheat1]

Mostly True, but the MSP has 160Ft-lbs of torque at 3500rpms. BTW yes a Stock MSP could beat a S2000 If the Driver in the S2000 shift's before VTEC. Already been done before, There aint no if's, and's, or's, and but's. But most likely (Stock for Stock) a S2000 would beat a MSP. The Cure for VTEC is Boost controller and D/P.

 

[acidbug]

Good kill..Those S2000 are hard to kill..I watched a mustang cobra race w/ a s2k..and the s2k was close behind him...and i was of course far behind them~

The S2k had a vtec afc, intake and said he rain 14 in 1/4 mile..

Chas

 

[jaje]

LOL , All of you sound like the S2000 is the greatest car ever. I have raced them on different occasions and I was next to each one going into 4th gear. In 4th gear they just slowly pull on me. BTW I am completely stock and this was pre-flash. The S2000 has to literally almost detonate its gearbox @ ~7,000-8,000 rpm to get those low 0-60 and 1/4 mile times all of you have seen. If they don't, they are only a high 7 low 8 sec. 0-60 mph car. If anyone calls BS on this they really don't know what they are talking about and most likely are magazine racers. Also, before anyone says, well they weren't racing etc..., 1 of those S2000 's belong to a friend of mine. I hate hearing the S2000 this and S2000 that s***. I admit that it's a nice car and that it's nice to see high HP #'s out of a small engine like that w/o FI, but it's not a rocket. Oh, has anyone looked at the TQ rating on the S2000? 153 lb. ft., That is pretty hard to work with off the line I would think. Actually I think that a stock MSP generates more TQ @ a lower RPM too?

----Enter Magazine Racer-----

MSP - 155 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm

S2000 - 153 lb-ft @ 7500 rpm

This tends to favor the MSP off the line givin that the S2000 doesn't try to grenade his transmission off the line.

Again, I am not saying that a stock MSP can beat an S2000 from 0 - 130, but I can believe anyone who says that a modified MSP can take one stop light to stop light. (w/o the MSP launching hard, I must add)

Awaitng dumb asses to call :

:bs:

LOL

the s2000 is not a stoplight warrior...neither is the msp (fwd is the worst platform)...your msp would not be able to keep up with a s2000 when it is running the high cams...i run a well built turbo'd pr5 and often do some wheel to wheel action on real race tracks where the other drivers are at 10/10ths in a safe atmosphere (summit, vir, lowes, watkins glen, etc)

with my car and a stock s2000, i can keep them in my vision on some long straights (though they pull on me easily)...once the s2k winds up it is a formidable opponent...my only chance to even stay near one is to catch up to them in a misshift or hitting the redline as the engine is so peaky that out of vtec it has little grunt (it is just like a motorcycle...low torque atmospheric hp)...if you've ever driven an s2000 the gearbox on that car is incredible and near bullet proof...(my pr5 at 10k miles even before my turbo was already dropping out of 3rd and sometimes won't go into 4th)...a msp tranny will grenade long before an s2000 will

if you don't belive me look at the posts of stock pr5 and msp trannies with all the problems...note these are stock and not high hp engines...the msp tranny is only different from the g15 in the pr5 with shot peened shift forks, the tochigi lsd, the meatier clutch, and beefier axles...that's it...same synchros same gearing same problems

now don't get me wrong i love the pr5 and it is a blast to drive...and i also love my hondas i've owned over the past decade (300k crx si, 275k '85 prelude dx, 175k 89' accord lxi, 150k '92 prelude Si, and a 120k '94 accord ex) as they have been track driven and outside the normal abusive wear and tear of the weekend warrior the still kept on going...no grenading trannies, no blown engines, etc

i'm just worried at 12k miles my pr5 tranny will last past 20k miles

 

[big_ben]

i beat an s2000 tonight i think he was stock and i have boost to 8-9psi injen cia and the flash

If you did then he wasn't trying to race. The MSP can't beat the S2000 even at 10psi. Sorry, just giving you the truth.

 

[big_ben]

LOL , All of you sound like the S2000 is the greatest car ever. I have raced them on different occasions and I was next to each one going into 4th gear. In 4th gear they just slowly pull on me. BTW I am completely stock and this was pre-flash. The S2000 has to literally almost detonate its gearbox @ ~7,000-8,000 rpm to get those low 0-60 and 1/4 mile times all of you have seen. If they don't, they are only a high 7 low 8 sec. 0-60 mph car. If anyone calls BS on this they really don't know what they are talking about and most likely are magazine racers. Also, before anyone says, well they weren't racing etc..., 1 of those S2000 's belong to a friend of mine. I hate hearing the S2000 this and S2000 that s***. I admit that it's a nice car and that it's nice to see high HP #'s out of a small engine like that w/o FI, but it's not a rocket. Oh, has anyone looked at the TQ rating on the S2000? 153 lb. ft., That is pretty hard to work with off the line I would think. Actually I think that a stock MSP generates more TQ @ a lower RPM too?

----Enter Magazine Racer-----

MSP - 155 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm

S2000 - 153 lb-ft @ 7500 rpm

This tends to favor the MSP off the line givin that the S2000 doesn't try to grenade his transmission off the line.

Again, I am not saying that a stock MSP can beat an S2000 from 0 - 130, but I can believe anyone who says that a modified MSP can take one stop light to stop light. (w/o the MSP launching hard, I must add)

Awaitng dumb asses to call :

:bs:

LOL

All nonsense. All of it. You know nothing of what you just said. The S2000 has a very strong gearbox. The clutch is the waek point just as in any transmition. You dump the clutch from 6000rpm in anything and you will do a little damage, it doesn't matter what car it is.

Low 7 to 8 second 0-60? Are you on crack? Try 5.4 seconds, and 5.2 for the new 2004 2.2L S2000 that's due out in October.

If anyone calls BS on this they really don't know what they are talking about and most likely are magazine racers.

:bs:Man, you have no idea what you are talking about. Uhmm.....I own one, and nothing you have said so far is anywhere near the truth.

Fact of the matter is this, You can't judge cars just by their HP and Torque ratings. Ok, the MSP has more torque and at an earlier RPM. There are also other factors that are necessary to talk about. Like, how fast does the MSP's motor get to that RPM band where that torque is? I can tell you that the S2000 gets all the way to 9000rpm is a fraction of a second due to it's lightweight parts it's built with and it's already light flywheel. The S2000 is a little bit lighter than the MSP. The S2000 is rear wheel drive therefore it will have better traction. Must I go on?

The MSP is an awesome car for the money you spend. You almost can't beat it for the money. But it's nowhere near the catagory of an S2000. So don't compare the two.

 

[tritonheat1]

If you did then he wasn't trying to race. The MSP can't beat the S2000 even at 10psi. Sorry, just giving you the truth.

wanna bet? I bet you Forcefed Or Yashooa, will Give you a run for your Money. " but to totaly be sure," FORCEFED will win. Oh btw, A MSP with minor mods will take out any Stock S2000, unless if the S2000 Is F/I. Also down here in the valley where i live, There are alot of honda's that have Swap Engine's with Minor bolt-ons and Smoking the crap out of V-8 mustang's, camaro's, etc... Ive seen one good race. A 00 Si with a B20Swap With I/H/E beat a 00 MustangGT by 1/ 1/2car's.

 

[big_ben]

Uhmmm,.....ok.

 

[Stormtrooper77]

wanna bet? I bet you Forcefed Or Yashooa, will Give you a run for your Money. " but to totaly be sure," FORCEFED will win. Oh btw, A MSP with minor mods will take out any Stock S2000, unless if the S2000 Is F/I. Also down here in the valley where i live, There are alot of honda's that have Swap Engine's with Minor bolt-ons and Smoking the crap out of V-8 mustang's, camaro's, etc... Ive seen one good race. A 00 Si with a B20Swap With I/H/E beat a 00 MustangGT by 1/ 1/2car's.

Still trying to figure out what you're saying here...But anyway, I'm siding with ben on this one. S2000 is in the low 5's, MSP, high 6's, low 7's. Obviously the S2000 wasn't trying. C'mon, there's no denying that. If he was trying he would have won, period. That is unless they didn't know how to drive the car. You put the same driver in both cars and compare the times. The S2000 will come out on top.

Also the comment about the S2000 being a 7 - 8 sec car...what are you trying to say? You could be driving the MacLaren F1 and still be an 8 sec car. Just don't push so hard on the gas!

Anyway, just my 2 cents.