Mini Cooper Gets Worked !!!!!
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Installshield 2
Gothenburg Superiority
yeah men...I have driven pretty much every car in this thread and here is the poop...Also I own a P5, not an MSP...None of this is biased in anyway towards MSP's or MP3's or P5's...They are not the best, but very notable...
Both the Mp3 and MSP are very high up on my list for best handling overall...i don't like numbers on paper...They do little to show a cars strenths and weakness'...skidpads can be hampered by things not related to suspensions...a Z06 which has one of the best recordings, can reach much higher G numbers on an actual track...but that applies to almost every car...MP3's were rated at .86g's I think on the skidpad, but in Road and Track's best handling test, it was pulling about .99g around some of the turns...
and MSP/MP3 outhandles an E-46 M3 with no problem...It is quicker and more predictable through transitions in almost every case I could notice...M3's feel heavy, don't listen to what others tell you...they are wrong...They have huge amounts of grip once it settles, but during the transitions it bucks and rolls just like the ancient suspension of the old M Coupe...A lot of bimmer fanatics claim the M Coupe is the best handling thing on 4 wheels...They to are wrong, and most don't realize that it has the old POS suspension of the E-30 318's from years ago...
Same applies for E-39 M5s...that is the best car I have ever driven that weighs more than 3500lbs...Much better handling than anything VW/Audi has made in that wieght range...but still not as good as the M3, and therefor not better than an MSP...
A friend of mine is a Corrado nut, and I drove his...old...that is all I remember...I drove it right after a Z06 too which didn't help, and to VWs credit the Corrado needed major work...
I drove a Porsche GT-2 a little while ago...absolutely hands down the best handling production car I have ever driven...a stock MSP will not touch it in balance or in steering precision...The MSP can hold close as far as transitional predictability, but after that it gets crushed...
A kid at school somehow got his parents to buy him BOTH a new STi and EVO...The EVO is better IMO than an MSP overall...it does have somewhat numb steering output, but better grip and balance it seemed than the MSP...The STi had none of that, and felt to me almost identical to a standard WRX handling wise...Now to both of those cars merit, I didn't "test" them on my "test facility" (a 10 mile stretch of road that has no speed limit and Penndot seems to repave every 2 years...Most of the other cars mentioned saw this road)...
I have driven a 99 (I think) ITR actually just recently, and that thing was very comparable to the MSP...The MSP by no means blows it away, and it would take some very accurate instrumentation to see by what margin it did beat it...If an MSP had the handbuilt B18C5's powerband, the MSP would be incredible even more...and a lot of ITR owners claim that the difference between a type R and an MSP can be made up for with a better set of tires...Some of you may want to get over to integra boards and stick up for yourself...
The Mini wasn't too bad...squirmy kind of, and the one I drove had the goofy run flat tires...steering was good, shifter sucked...and overall I didn't like the whole car...it gripped like it had a set, but always seemed like you were at the limit on the higher speed sweepers...
My Dad got to test drive a friend's 360 Modena...He drove I rode...I wanted to drive it (it had the Sequential manual, like the SMG M3)...but he wouldn't let me, and I was a little to afraid anyway...
That is all I can remember...Every time some one with a cool car lets me drive it in this area, I take it to that little "test facility"...obviously most of the cars handling is up in the air and only a matter of my opinion...The MSP is up there, and definately the best FWD production car available now...although that Integra Type R was very close...You guys have an incredible car in any price range...enjoy it, production cars like the MSP are very hard to come by...
Both the Mp3 and MSP are very high up on my list for best handling overall...i don't like numbers on paper...They do little to show a cars strenths and weakness'...skidpads can be hampered by things not related to suspensions...a Z06 which has one of the best recordings, can reach much higher G numbers on an actual track...but that applies to almost every car...MP3's were rated at .86g's I think on the skidpad, but in Road and Track's best handling test, it was pulling about .99g around some of the turns...
and MSP/MP3 outhandles an E-46 M3 with no problem...It is quicker and more predictable through transitions in almost every case I could notice...M3's feel heavy, don't listen to what others tell you...they are wrong...They have huge amounts of grip once it settles, but during the transitions it bucks and rolls just like the ancient suspension of the old M Coupe...A lot of bimmer fanatics claim the M Coupe is the best handling thing on 4 wheels...They to are wrong, and most don't realize that it has the old POS suspension of the E-30 318's from years ago...
Same applies for E-39 M5s...that is the best car I have ever driven that weighs more than 3500lbs...Much better handling than anything VW/Audi has made in that wieght range...but still not as good as the M3, and therefor not better than an MSP...
A friend of mine is a Corrado nut, and I drove his...old...that is all I remember...I drove it right after a Z06 too which didn't help, and to VWs credit the Corrado needed major work...
I drove a Porsche GT-2 a little while ago...absolutely hands down the best handling production car I have ever driven...a stock MSP will not touch it in balance or in steering precision...The MSP can hold close as far as transitional predictability, but after that it gets crushed...
A kid at school somehow got his parents to buy him BOTH a new STi and EVO...The EVO is better IMO than an MSP overall...it does have somewhat numb steering output, but better grip and balance it seemed than the MSP...The STi had none of that, and felt to me almost identical to a standard WRX handling wise...Now to both of those cars merit, I didn't "test" them on my "test facility" (a 10 mile stretch of road that has no speed limit and Penndot seems to repave every 2 years...Most of the other cars mentioned saw this road)...
I have driven a 99 (I think) ITR actually just recently, and that thing was very comparable to the MSP...The MSP by no means blows it away, and it would take some very accurate instrumentation to see by what margin it did beat it...If an MSP had the handbuilt B18C5's powerband, the MSP would be incredible even more...and a lot of ITR owners claim that the difference between a type R and an MSP can be made up for with a better set of tires...Some of you may want to get over to integra boards and stick up for yourself...
The Mini wasn't too bad...squirmy kind of, and the one I drove had the goofy run flat tires...steering was good, shifter sucked...and overall I didn't like the whole car...it gripped like it had a set, but always seemed like you were at the limit on the higher speed sweepers...
My Dad got to test drive a friend's 360 Modena...He drove I rode...I wanted to drive it (it had the Sequential manual, like the SMG M3)...but he wouldn't let me, and I was a little to afraid anyway...
That is all I can remember...Every time some one with a cool car lets me drive it in this area, I take it to that little "test facility"...obviously most of the cars handling is up in the air and only a matter of my opinion...The MSP is up there, and definately the best FWD production car available now...although that Integra Type R was very close...You guys have an incredible car in any price range...enjoy it, production cars like the MSP are very hard to come by...
Turbo Matty P
Banned
yikes, I'm calling BS on a couple of posts....I've never seen a crotch-rocket get passed by a 1.8L mini. I highly doubt he wass using nitrous. The blueish puff was gas from him shifting at what I can only imagine would have to be his redline. As for the previous post....someones parents bought him an EVO and an STi?? This story sounds way to fishy to be believable. Many of the details seem off. Sorry to bash, but these tall-tales are just annoying after hearing so many.
Turbo Matty P
Banned
I'll answer your question with a question...
Why would a car that weighs 4 times as much as a motorcycle not be able to outrun said motorcycle that has probably the same power?!?!
Why would a car that weighs 4 times as much as a motorcycle not be able to outrun said motorcycle that has probably the same power?!?!
Installshield 2
Gothenburg Superiority
Turbo Matty P, I agree with you that the fact of a kid getting two cars (especially two 30K cars) has salmon swimming all over it...But he did, this is college dude...I have seen things here that boggle the mind...I watched a student get arrested by the campus police for having sex in his GTi...that was yesterday...My girlfriend's roomate's parents bought her (the roomate, not my gf) AND her boyfriend brand new Lexus IS-300's when they started school this fall...
FWIW, both cars where a graduation gift from each one of his divorced parents...He graduates in December, and he wanted a car from each...I guess he didn't want to decide which one he wanted, and asked for one from dear old mom and one from dad...It is still less money spent than on one 911, and about 3 kids I know own 933's...Rich college fuckers...
FWIW, both cars where a graduation gift from each one of his divorced parents...He graduates in December, and he wanted a car from each...I guess he didn't want to decide which one he wanted, and asked for one from dear old mom and one from dad...It is still less money spent than on one 911, and about 3 kids I know own 933's...Rich college fuckers...
jersey_emt
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Hey Installshield...where's this 'testing facility' of yours? Sorry to doubt you, but I can't imagine there being any road in PA without a speed limit. Perhaps you really meant a road that is hardly ever patrolled?
Installshield 2
Gothenburg Superiority
Penndot implies any "unmarked back road" has a understood speed limit of 45mph...Penn State, the school I go to, basically makes up the town of State College...and about 15 minutes south of town is where Route 305 starts...It travels from Centre County (sort of, route 45 or something turns into 305 in Mooresville) all the way through Huntingdon County, and I am not sure where it goes after that...
Some sections of 305 from State College to the town where I grew up, Alexandria, are indeed marked...but from Masseyburg all the way to Petersburg, which is about 12 miles...there is not a single speed limit sign...Again the rule is it should be understood to be 45mph, and if a cop does see you motoring around at even 60mph you could potentially get a ticket...but it is barely patrolled and pretty much in the middle of no where...
So yes, I guess technically it does have a speed limit...When all my friends and I turned 16 it became known as the Autobahn, and after almost 5 years of driving on it I have never in my life seen someone get a ticket through there...
Some sections of 305 from State College to the town where I grew up, Alexandria, are indeed marked...but from Masseyburg all the way to Petersburg, which is about 12 miles...there is not a single speed limit sign...Again the rule is it should be understood to be 45mph, and if a cop does see you motoring around at even 60mph you could potentially get a ticket...but it is barely patrolled and pretty much in the middle of no where...
So yes, I guess technically it does have a speed limit...When all my friends and I turned 16 it became known as the Autobahn, and after almost 5 years of driving on it I have never in my life seen someone get a ticket through there...
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jersey_emt
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Installshield 2 said:
Thanks! I'll have to check it out some time
The tighter the road the better the Mini S will do as my friend from work has one and he abd I would often go to the tail of the dragon on the TN/NC border. Crotch Rockets indeed could be ran down on this road. I do not ride a bike so havve no idea about the next statement, but it seemed we could dive deeper in the corners before the brakes. Even on my first ride I was able to mostly keep pace. It was a easy car to drive fast and was on my short list as far as cars to buy. Had other responsibilities though and got the MP5 and am quite happy, but its going to take some work on this car to be able to get across the mountain without totally losing the Mini S.
Marcus
Marcus
LOL, I have this arguement every day at work. My buddy has a CooperS, pulley and intake. Runs pretty good. One of these days we are going to swap cars and race around. He loves the car, it does what he wants it to. Which is generally how I feel about the P5.
As for the comments on size-the mini is great for city driving and parking. especially with all the retards with escalades, 740i's, volvos and all the other cars taking up two parking spots!
Oh, and it's a1.6L not a 1.8....
As for the comments on size-the mini is great for city driving and parking. especially with all the retards with escalades, 740i's, volvos and all the other cars taking up two parking spots!
Oh, and it's a1.6L not a 1.8....
reading the road and track article, you can tell Mazda has also taken the light and nimble approach with the mp3/msps.
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The Lotus Elise epitomizes Colin Chapman's minimalist philosophy of the lightweight, excellent-handling sports car.... riding on front 175/55R-16 and rear 225/45R-17 tires. Sporting a modest 122 bhp and 124 lb.-ft. of torque...
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so stop drag racing your msps! you're getting the lotus experience for under 20Gs.
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The Lotus Elise epitomizes Colin Chapman's minimalist philosophy of the lightweight, excellent-handling sports car.... riding on front 175/55R-16 and rear 225/45R-17 tires. Sporting a modest 122 bhp and 124 lb.-ft. of torque...
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so stop drag racing your msps! you're getting the lotus experience for under 20Gs.
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OneFASTmiata
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KpaBap said:
if the coopers beat up on miatas at autocrosses in your area then its the drivers, not the cars.
daperspeed
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nocar said:
Could a MSP replicate those numbers of the MP3 and i wonder how much better a MSP would do in the transition segments with the added power...?
