Methanol/Water, Alky Injection Experiences..

[LinuxRacr]

Nothing. Money = not there.

 

[SIBalla23]

subing, all good info here

 

[JDM Sam]

Key part after getting a methanol injection kit is converting your gasoline AFR to meth/gasoline by using lambda for the correct mixtures and tune. If you have an innovate gauge you can conver the display to lambda for ease of tuning. Once you add meth/water or a pure meth mix, the afr for a stoichiometric mixture changes.

 

[avarela86]

How can you do this with an AEM?

 

[JDM Sam]

AEM UEGO gauges don't display lambda, you'll have to convert it yourself.

Correction and clarification!
http://aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=67
these can switch to lambda via some knob at the back of the gauge

http://aempower.com/ViewProduct.aspx?ProductID=1420
these obviously do not display lambda!

 

[avarela86]

oh man...just another pain to add in setting up the car for just regular use.

 

[Knox Joe]

AEM UEGO gauges don't display lambda, you'll have to convert it yourself.

This say's it can...

http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=67

I'm just wondering cause I'm running methanol, and I'm pretty sure I can switch mine for lambda, I haven't tried it, but there is a switch on the back.

Also, what number in lambda should you be shooting for?

 

[JDM Sam]

Did yours come with a lambda face plate?

 

[JDM Sam]

http://www.aempower.com/images/products/Installation%20Instructions%2030-4100.pdf
guess it does but the gauge doesn't have enough range to even get down to where methanol 6.4 stoichiometric afr is.

lambda is 1.000 which in AFR for gasoline is 14.7 and methanol is 6.4.
Old AEM UEGO gauges go low as 11 AFR only and new ones go to 10 AFR only. So the AEM is still useless in tuning cars with pure meth, at least in AFR display mode.

 

[Knox Joe]

hmmmm....

I think I may have to make a trip out to DFW. Can you tune the Unichip with 440's, vics removed, and methanol now? I know there were some problems before, but I thought I read you worked them out.

 

[JDM Sam]

with gasoline in boost you want around a safe 11.9 afr which is .814 lambda. however pure meth will be a lot less, but in our setups we would be running a meth/ gas mix.

if meth is stoich at 6.4. and gas is 14.7, the problem now is how much gas and meth will we be using and what will be stoich for that mixture? this is where using lambda tuning will be easier.

 

[Knox Joe]

sorr my bad, I was talking about the Unichip and didn't specify.

Can you tune the Unichip for all those things? Basically all bolt ons, and 50/50 meth.

I have been thinking about getting a Haltech, but I have another project, and decided I will probably tune the Unichip, and leave the MSP as it is.

 

[JDM Sam]

I edited my last few posts to make it clearer. I wouldn't run meth on the Unichip. The 440s work but flip out once the MAF reaches its range. Hard to explain it w/o showing you the fuel table, but say 10 psi at WOT is load cell 120, and at 16 psi its the same thing at load cell 120 and at 5000 rpm. obviously 16 psi will move more air than 10, so the fuel cell value will now be off.

 

[Knox Joe]

I already do. lol

 

[mp3-79bronco]

since i havnt bought a WB yet, and may run meth one day, which WB should i get?

 

[JDM Sam]

do you know which version aem you have? i have this aem uego out of the blue msp and i'm thinking of selling it to get another innovate for it.

 

[JDM Sam]

the aem does display lambda, only the digital ones though!
http://aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=67
these can switch to lambda via some knob at the back of the gauge

http://aempower.com/ViewProduct.aspx?ProductID=1420
these obviously do not display lambda!

however, the digital gauge only reads 2 decimal places. lambda is usually read to 3 decimal places. you can get the full display if its hooked up to an EMS.

 

[JDM Sam]

I already do. lol

how much boost are you running at currently?

 

[JDM Sam]

now i know why i was thinking it didn't read lambda b/c of the analog wideband version
http://aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=323

 

[JDM Sam]

since i havnt bought a WB yet, and may run meth one day, which WB should i get?

buy my aem, i pm'd you my asking price.