MAZDA 5 and 4x8 DRYWALL/PLYWOOD

Perhaps if the manual mode didn't have automatic overrides on it, it would be a better solution. Unless you put it in 2 from a dead stop, it wont stay in 2. Once I'm rolling I can throw it back to D but then its back to first when I stop. So at every intersection (1/8 mile) I have to stop, go to M2, start, go to D and then repeat 30 seconds later at the next stop. If I could just use it as a manual, it would be so much better, just toggle between 2 and 3 so I'm not revving it out on every block. Trust me, I use the winter mode when I leave parking spots no matter what. Oh and dont get me started on having to rock it out of a spot using R and M2, I would rather go through check in at the airport. The #1 thing I would wish for is the AWD option from Japan, even if it meant the crummy 4sp Auto.

Torquelover, thats hysterical, I dont believe the 5 is any better but thats still a funny story. My neighbor has his 06 Sport 5MT and he just left it parked all through the big snow we had, his new Cooper S he said is so much better it wasn't worth taking the 5 out. We joke it can get stuck on a snowball on stock tires. My 09 doesn't have TC btw and I'm glad, I dont like it or need it.
 
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Automatic manual mode + 2nd gear = unstuck!
Are you saying accelerate from a dead stop in 2nd during normal driving or only when the car is already stuck (to get out)? Hopefully I’ll never get stuck but if I do, I’ll have to try this!
If true, wouldn’t’ this confirm that it is a gearing issue (1st gear too short), meaning the car’s foundation is not ideally setup for winter? If you have to put it into 2nd and/or use winter tires, these are solution to the problem but the problem still exist.

Perhaps if the manual mode didn't have automatic overrides on it, it would be a better solution. Unless you put it in 2 from a dead stop, it wont stay in 2. Once I'm rolling I can throw it back to D but then its back to first when I stop. So at every intersection (1/8 mile) I have to stop, go to M2, start, go to D and then repeat 30 seconds later at the next stop. If I could just use it as a manual, it would be so much better, just toggle between 2 and 3 so I'm not revving it out on every block. Trust me, I use the winter mode when I leave parking spots no matter what. Oh and dont get me started on having to rock it out of a spot using R and M2, I would rather go through check in at the airport. The #1 thing I would wish for is the AWD option from Japan, even if it meant the crummy 4sp Auto.

Torquelover, thats hysterical, I dont believe the 5 is any better but thats still a funny story. My neighbor has his 06 Sport 5MT and he just left it parked all through the big snow we had, his new Cooper S he said is so much better it wasn't worth taking the 5 out. We joke it can get stuck on a snowball on stock tires. My 09 doesn't have TC btw and I'm glad, I dont like it or need it.
X2. It seems those who say it is adequate drive in suburban environments, which are different than city limits where you’d experience a lot of stop sign/light spinning and not simply plowing along. Once you have momentum, it is easy (stopping is a whole other animal).

It is also a misleading example to say the Mz5 with snow tires is better than a SUV with AS. The question should be: is the Mz5 with snows tires better than a SUV with snows tires? OR is the Mz5 (FWD) with AS worse/equal/better than sumsuchcar (FWD) on AS?


LOL. Never knew the term snow boogers existed! Learned something new today!!
 
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Are you saying accelerate from a dead stop in 2nd during normal driving or only when the car is already stuck (to get out)? Hopefully I’ll never get stuck but if I do, I’ll have to try this!
If true, wouldn’t’ this confirm that it is a gearing issue (1st gear too short), meaning the car’s foundation is not ideally setup for winter? If you have to put it into 2nd and/or use winter tires, these are solution to the problem but the problem still exist.

From a dead stop. I was able to get up some hills this winter from a stop using M2. Of course, there were other times when it didn't work! It was just a suggestion, or rather, it was my attempt to glorify the automatic transmission since I thought twintrbo drove a manual. I do agree that if you are getting stuck at every block in the city, shifting into M2 would become a chore.

I'd say my results have been mixed this winter. I live on a fairly steep hill (about a 10% grade right at my driveway) and the MZ5 surprised me a couple times in its ability to climb even when the street was partially ice covered. On other occasions, the ice was too much, and even some slick, untreated slush proved too slippery to climb. Around here, even though it's suburban/rural driving, the problem is a lot of the stops are on inclines.

Because this winter has been the harshest I've experienced in 20+ years driving in NJ, I really can't objectively compare its performance to any other car I've owned. My only other data point this winter is my wife's 7th Gen Maxima riding on General Altimax Arctics. The Max has ridiculous torque and it takes very little throttle to get the front wheels spinning, but it gave my wife zero problems this winter. She drove through two of the worst snow storms without any trouble. She even left for work a couple mornings - against my advice - when the untreated ice was so bad I couldn't even walk up our street. I didn't even attempt it with the MZ5.
 
I have often compared my city driving to the equivalent of driving around a mall parking lot looking for a spot. If you locked in M2 at a dead stop, it stays there and its great but not when you go faster than 20 or so.

I would rather be in my 5 on snow tires than an SUV on AS because the benefits of snow tires outweigh the advantage of AWD from a stop. AWD will not help in steering or stopping on slippery roads.
 
Here is a shot of the street while it was still bad, plus I really wanted to post a pic of my other car :)
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It SUCKS in the snow. Worst car Ive owned and my neighbor who has one across the street agrees.

I am talking about one very specific area that its performance is below par, pulling out of a parking spot where there is an uneven icy surface or accelerating on ice from a stop.

So which one is it? Sucks in the snow, or just below par in one specific area? And how many cars (without chains or spikes) can accelerate well on ice from a stop? Um, none?

Continuing with the winter driving thread jack (sorry, OP!)...

Like most others above (except folks on this one street in Brooklyn), my 5 has been exceptionally good in the winter, with the same gearing and weight distribution. I'm using a set of Yokohama Ice Guard tires that I bought for my speed3 in 2008. We got pretty well hammered this winter in Chicago and the 5 has been entirely unfazed by the ice and snow. Unlike the "one specific area" above, our entire alley goes unplowed for the whole winter, and that was with the 79" of snow and subzero temps. Not fun by any means, and if I weren't so neighborly, I could have made quite a bit of money charging people to help get their cars out. Literally dozens of cars stuck on a regular basis in our alley and street, mainly due to all-season tires and unintelligent drivers. We were not in that category. Granted, I actually did have to use my head while driving, so as to avoid problem situations - the car does not have a lot of ground clearance - but other than that, the 5 with snow tires performed exceptionally well. I literally "plowed" the alley more than once with the front of the 5! It drove shockingly well, in fact, clawing its way through this nasty winter very dependably.

An easy recipe for not getting stuck:

1) Put trans in 2nd gear (yes, you can do this in an auto)
2) Disable traction control
3) Don't floor the gas

Quite simple, really. Of course, once the car is out of the deep snow or whatever the problem area is, and it is safe to get up to normal speed, pop it back into drive and turn the TC back on. My wife learned that method quickly and she too was stuck exactly zero times. The weight distribution is fine; the weight of the engine is above the front wheels. In contrast, I had a more difficult time this season with my rwd pickup with all terrain tires and an open diff. I had to put quite a bit of weight in the bed to get it a little better in the snow. But of course, I had to think about how to drive.

The kind of car is rarely the problem. I see AWD vehicles in trouble in the winter, and I see "performance" cars doing fine. The problem can be narrowed down to the tires and/or the driver.

Are you saying accelerate from a dead stop in 2nd during normal driving or only when the car is already stuck (to get out)? Hopefully I’ll never get stuck but if I do, I’ll have to try this!
If true, wouldn’t’ this confirm that it is a gearing issue (1st gear too short), meaning the car’s foundation is not ideally setup for winter? If you have to put it into 2nd and/or use winter tires, these are solution to the problem but the problem still exist.

Starting in 2nd is an old trick that works because it is just simple physics at work, not some computer doing the working (and thinking) for the driver. Meter out the torque to the drive wheels at a reduced pace (via gearing) so the wheels don't overcome the reduced friction of a slippery surface.

No traction is no traction regardless of "the car's foundation." Ice is slippery. Tires can spin on ice if they don't have spikes or chains. I could spin the tires on my old AWD WRX all day if it had slicks and was on a sheet of ice. Again, the real problem here that too many drivers are lulled into believing (or have some sense of entitlement) that their car can perform exactly the same in all conditions. Regardless of all the hi-tech gadgets, electro-nannies, and coddle-me engineering in today's vehicles, the same thought process as a driver applies today as it did 50 years ago: use your brain, and adjust your driving to the conditions.

And get snow tires. ;)

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Perhaps if the manual mode didn't have automatic overrides on it, it would be a better solution. Unless you put it in 2 from a dead stop, it wont stay in 2.

I've noticed it works both ways on mine (2010 Model). If I manually downshift to 2nd while coming to a stop it will stay in 2nd. If I leave it in top gear or any other gear when coasting to a stop only then will it force the downshift to 1st.
 
So which one is it? Sucks in the snow, or just below par in one specific area? And how many cars (without chains or spikes) can accelerate well on ice from a stop? Um, none?

Continuing with the winter driving thread jack (sorry, OP!)...

Like most others above (except folks on this one street in Brooklyn), my 5 has been exceptionally good in the winter, with the same gearing and weight distribution. I'm using a set of Yokohama Ice Guard tires that I bought for my speed3 in 2008. We got pretty well hammered this winter in Chicago and the 5 has been entirely unfazed by the ice and snow. Unlike the "one specific area" above, our entire alley goes unplowed for the whole winter, and that was with the 79" of snow and subzero temps. Not fun by any means, and if I weren't so neighborly, I could have made quite a bit of money charging people to help get their cars out. Literally dozens of cars stuck on a regular basis in our alley and street, mainly due to all-season tires and unintelligent drivers. We were not in that category. Granted, I actually did have to use my head while driving, so as to avoid problem situations - the car does not have a lot of ground clearance - but other than that, the 5 with snow tires performed exceptionally well. I literally "plowed" the alley more than once with the front of the 5! It drove shockingly well, in fact, clawing its way through this nasty winter very dependably.

An easy recipe for not getting stuck:

1) Put trans in 2nd gear (yes, you can do this in an auto)
2) Disable traction control
3) Don't floor the gas

Quite simple, really. Of course, once the car is out of the deep snow or whatever the problem area is, and it is safe to get up to normal speed, pop it back into drive and turn the TC back on. My wife learned that method quickly and she too was stuck exactly zero times. The weight distribution is fine; the weight of the engine is above the front wheels. In contrast, I had a more difficult time this season with my rwd pickup with all terrain tires and an open diff. I had to put quite a bit of weight in the bed to get it a little better in the snow. But of course, I had to think about how to drive.

The kind of car is rarely the problem. I see AWD vehicles in trouble in the winter, and I see "performance" cars doing fine. The problem can be narrowed down to the tires and/or the driver.



Starting in 2nd is an old trick that works because it is just simple physics at work, not some computer doing the working (and thinking) for the driver. Meter out the torque to the drive wheels at a reduced pace (via gearing) so the wheels don't overcome the reduced friction of a slippery surface.

No traction is no traction regardless of "the car's foundation." Ice is slippery. Tires can spin on ice if they don't have spikes or chains. I could spin the tires on my old AWD WRX all day if it had slicks and was on a sheet of ice. Again, the real problem here that too many drivers are lulled into believing (or have some sense of entitlement) that their car can perform exactly the same in all conditions. Regardless of all the hi-tech gadgets, electro-nannies, and coddle-me engineering in today's vehicles, the same thought process as a driver applies today as it did 50 years ago: use your brain, and adjust your driving to the conditions.

And get snow tires. ;)
I don’t think twintrbo and I are the kind of drivers you may commonly have in mind.

Your statement
I'm using a set of Yokohama Ice Guard tires
negated the points you are trying to make “specific” to the Mz5. What you shared applies to all cars. All cars drive better in snow = when equip with snow tires! The question is how well does it do with AS when compared to sumsuchcar with AS! Please don’t tell me you “NEED” winter tires. It is a great benefit no doubt but it is not absolutely necessary – depends on your conditions (plowed roads or not). Also, TC is not an option till ’10 (why I recommend ’09 GTs) and manual-matics are still relatively new, in car terms, so I’m not sure how it can be an “old” trick (we may define old differently).
 
My '81 Mustang auto had low (1st), 2nd and drive. I think manual second gears on auto trans have been around for quite some time. 2nd gear start is a very old trick for winter driving. Mazda just made it more fun with a slap shifter.
 
My '81 Mustang auto had low (1st), 2nd and drive. I think manual second gears on auto trans have been around for quite some time. 2nd gear start is a very old trick for winter driving. Mazda just made it more fun with a slap shifter.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but the Low (1st) and 2nd that you are referring too is lock out. When in Low (1st), it locks out all other gears. When in 2nd, the car still uses 1st AND 2nd gear but locks out 3rd and higher (however many speeds that auto is). With manual-matics, starting in M2 actually uses 2nd gear off the line (bypasses 1st) and will continue to rev in that gear for as long as programing says it could/should. Can someone confirm.?.

My old neighbor had a fox body stang. It was a crazy build (completely gutted), loud enough to wake Hades, and complete with wheelie bars (and mullet). Didn’t know the guy but I safely bet he drag races the thing in the Poconos.
 
Sorry to get here late but gmail decided forum posts were spam. Jing, I appreciate all the sarcasm and stuff but you just truly dont understand how it gets here in the winter. The week I bought my 5 we had a nice 2ft snow storm. I still had my old 93 Maxima with 17" Hankook H426's on it and was swapping parking spots. I put the Maxima in D and drove out of the spot. Then I tried pulling in the Mazda, it immediately got stuck halfway in, I had to dig it out to get out of the spot. I then cleared it a bit more and got stuck 2 more times pulling in. When I went to move it the next day, I again had to dig it out and got stuck in 2 other parking spots, one time I was blocking the entire street and the Fedex guy helped push me out. The Maxima never had this issue, it did not have snow tires and I never had to use any special tricks to get it going. So yes, its one specific area that it sucks but it makes the car a major pain to own around here. Granted the Toyos are garbage but I roll on Blizzaks from November to April, I couldn't imagine doing it on A/S tires.
 
Silent is right btw, I'm not saying I am a rally stage winner but I am an excellent driver and 20+ years experience of living and driving in snow. When this is the only spot open, you learn how to get into it, and this is on summer rubber:
 
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Sorry to get here late but gmail decided forum posts were spam. Jing, I appreciate all the sarcasm and stuff but you just truly dont understand how it gets here in the winter. The week I bought my 5 we had a nice 2ft snow storm. I still had my old 93 Maxima with 17" Hankook H426's on it and was swapping parking spots. I put the Maxima in D and drove out of the spot. Then I tried pulling in the Mazda, it immediately got stuck halfway in, I had to dig it out to get out of the spot. I then cleared it a bit more and got stuck 2 more times pulling in. When I went to move it the next day, I again had to dig it out and got stuck in 2 other parking spots, one time I was blocking the entire street and the Fedex guy helped push me out. The Maxima never had this issue, it did not have snow tires and I never had to use any special tricks to get it going. So yes, its one specific area that it sucks but it makes the car a major pain to own around here. Granted the Toyos are garbage but I roll on Blizzaks from November to April, I couldn't imagine doing it on A/S tires.

Correct, I don't know how it got there in the winter, other than there was less snow than here. But anyway, our 5 never got stuck. Don't know what to tell you. It performed no worse than any of the other 20 or so vehicles I've owned in the last 30+ years of driving, and in fact drove better than quite a few of them (Jeeps excepted, of course). While I'm sure a nice AWD car would have performed even better, I don't think the price or size penalties would have been worth it.

My next quest: to see how well it can handle the track compared to the car it replaced in our garage...

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Which, to get back to the original topic, had no problem with plywood, lumber, or 4x10 sheets of drywall... :D

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I just made it through the worst winter Chicago has had in 20 years and I never got stuck. Stock tires with over 20k on them. Sure I had to take it slow and back up a few times but so did everyone else. Then again I've made it with 2wd pickups before and they are the single worst kind of car in the snow. My stock tires were great for oem. I'll buy newer better tires next fall however. 4x8 sheets of plywood or drywall? No way.
 

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