im looking very seriously into getting a microtech LT10. I was just wondering for those who have installad it how easy it is. Ive seen that its as easy as putting in a stereo. Ive done plenty of them. Im looking more for issues that ppl have had when doing the install and exactly what is involved. from what ive read theres some soldering of wires but thats all i kno. and can the microtech pass emissions? if it cant that is a big problem for me. thnaks for the info.
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Lots of wires, lots of diagram checking, lots of splicing, cutting, soldering. not fun.
ChopstickHero said:
Wrong. I have never soldered before and I did fine, wired it up in a couple hours. It actually was kind of fun
And there isn't really any diagram checking, the directions tell you where everything is and what wires to splice.It is also very easy to use, my advice, go for it!
Ask turfburn about any questions since he is the microtech guru, and the only one in the forum you can buy one from i believe.
It is a lot of wiring since no one makes a pre-made plug and play harness for our cars. But you are going to encounter that for any standalone ems. I hear the ease of tuning is amazing, so i say go for it.
It is a lot of wiring since no one makes a pre-made plug and play harness for our cars. But you are going to encounter that for any standalone ems. I hear the ease of tuning is amazing, so i say go for it.
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03MSP said:Wrong. I have never soldered before and I did fine, wired it up in a couple hours. It actually was kind of fun
It is also very easy to use, my advice, go for it!
well, if wiring, soldering, cutting, splicing, being bent over and looking at wiring diagrams is fun to you, that's all good.
oh, don't mistake me, i think it's a good product too.yea none of that stuff really bothers me. Ive been upside down plenty of times trying to wire stuff up. I just dont wanna end up guessing at what wire to cut and splice and such. I want to make sure that the directions are actually good enuf to follow easily. The only other thing i got instructions for an install was my hiboost fmic and they were basically usless. i just wanna make sure its not gonna be like that with the microtech
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lncatch I just bought a Microtech L10 from www.nsnmotorsports.com . The instructions I received with the Microtech are very detail(writen by nsnmotorsports). It also includes wire colors and ecu pin numbers. I haven't installed it yet because lack of time but It doesn't look hard. If you have more questions try talking to steve at nsnmotorsports.
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wow this thread is very encouraging... i was gonna take it to a shop but it seems like its more tedius than it is complicated...
can't wait to pick one up
can't wait to pick one up
From someone who doesn't have one... nice.ChopstickHero said:
LOL.. that use to be the general rule of what it took to install an EMS but we tried to take that out of it with the manual..
takes most people about 4 hours to install even with no soldering experience and about half that time is actually putting the unit where you want it and running the wires to the locations before you start your soldering.
About 25 wires total... It's not super convenient obviously, but not hard either. No-one has had any real major issues to date (one of our sponsored guys had a rough time because I botched a part of the instructions.. since fixed). So basically if you have a weekend free you'll be up and running in time for work on Monday usually. Need a little tuning right away..
Which... brings me to another point we have gotten base maps off cars and tweaked a lot of things and it goes further and further to prove my point that no drop in system is ever remotely accurate. The base maps do a good job of getting a car started and on the road, but many can attest that the AFR's are way out of whack even though a near identical car ran that map tuned to good AFR's...
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kicker22705 said:
And if you have any questions or anything just let us know as we are super happy to chat with you on the phone and answer any questions. I think the other customers will attest that I do a good to very good job of being there for questions and help, I make myself as available as my life will allow!!
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We talked about placing an order for me, but when I do, can I get a harness instead of having to wire it all in by hand? I'll pay the extra, I jsut want it to be reversable.
Yeah.. no harnesses exist etc. It's just WAY too costly to do (we are talking in excess of 600 extra). What you can do, and some have done is to simply connectorize the installation. Use a sealed weather pack connector or so forth for each connection (you can get them from SummitRacing.com) and then if you need to revert back you just switch connectors around. So basically for every wire you cut you put on 3 connectors (one that is connected to a given sensor/component, and a mating connector on both the stock wiring and the Microtech wiring). That way you just switch if the Microtech or the stock ECU is connected to a given sensor. Pretty simple .
.Here are some connector numbers for you :
MSD-8173 2 pin male/female.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D8173&N=4294836937+115&autoview=sku
MSD-8174 1 pin male/female
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D8174&N=4294836937+115&autoview=sku
Then instead of crimping them you just solder into each pin to keep it more reliable and you'll have an easy switch and very very simple job. Probably cost you about 100 bucks in connectors to do.
some people prefer the more expensive (but nicer and smaller) MSD Deutsch connectors... but they are about twice the price...
MSD-8173 2 pin male/female.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D8173&N=4294836937+115&autoview=sku
MSD-8174 1 pin male/female
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D8174&N=4294836937+115&autoview=sku
Then instead of crimping them you just solder into each pin to keep it more reliable and you'll have an easy switch and very very simple job. Probably cost you about 100 bucks in connectors to do.
some people prefer the more expensive (but nicer and smaller) MSD Deutsch connectors... but they are about twice the price...
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I'm thinkin about pickin up daedalus's yellow speed with the Microtech, but I need to pass emissions in NJ. Connectorizing the install, so that I could switch between the MicroTech and the stock ECU sounds like the answer, but I'm not really sure I wanna go through the hassle.
