Is this system better than the stock '99 LX system?

ugh...please don't spend money on that. You actually have a decent company backing your HU in the Protege. Here's and idea. For 150$ you can get a really decent set of front coaxials. That won't give you thump, but it'll sound good. Or you can do this...save your money here and there. Get up to 500$. For 500$ you can keep the stock HU, get good speakers in front(150-200$), a small sub,(100$) and good 4(200-300$) channel amp to power it all. You'll still need a box and the wiring, but you'll be better off doing that instead of throwing 150$ at that *stuff*.

There's a ton of suggestions in the 1000$ audio challenge sticky. You can use them to determine what works best for you. Obviously, those examples are modifiable to fit your needs.

Here's one example for you...but the key here is to listen to speakers before buying them.

JL TR 6.5" components: 120$ on the web
JL e4300 4 channel amp: 270$ on the web
JL 10w0 : 100$ on the web

Now...that's all from woofersetc.com...and it's probably more than you're willing to spend. But think about this. If you like your interior speakers and you just want some extra bass then you'll need to spend ~200-300$. But if you want to change the speakers as well you're looking more in the 500-600$ range.

Let us know exactly what you're looking for. What do you listen to? What kind of "thump" do you want? How much are you seriously willing to spend? Everyone needs a case by case response.
 
OUCH! Don't do it!

THis would be MUCH worse than your stock stereo. YOu coudl likely just take $150 and get a bazooka setup of some sort and be much better off. Even better still, as soon as eD has their Kx 10's back available, get one of those and an inexpensive amp of some sorts to push it. The stock deck is MUCH nicer, etcetc. Basically what Servo said, with the addition of you'd be shooting yourself in the foot if you did this.

Additionally for the love of god, forget about the 6x9's Noone needs them, they're VERY counter-active to a good sounding stereo. Ideal good sounding setup is get some nice front speakers amped, and a simple, clean sub with adequate power (doesn't need to be alot)
 
Wow, I never thought I'd get such helpful, informative posts. You guys are awesome.

Here is some info to help in determining what would be best for me:

I listen to rock music 90% of the time. For this reason, good, cutting treble is necesary. However, I'm pleased with the 6.5"s that I have in the front, because they give me more than enough treble. Therefore, I think all I really want is just a good sub setup.

Just a little story... I burned a CD with various rock songs on it that I like, in order to try in my rap-liking friend's '95 Chevy Silverado with a 500-watt (I believe) Xplod amp and 2 Xplod 10"s. He still has the stock front 3" (I believe) speakers, and has the bass up waaay too high, and the little speakers are just so weak. The music sounded way too muffled, with none of that raw, powerful sound that you get when listening to the rock music at Best Buy's subwoofer demo station. Also, it seemed like the bass drum of rock music was distorting his 10"s and making an ugly poppy sound, similar to what I get out of my 6x9s when I turn the bass up too high with loud volume.

Like I said, though, I don't think I'll have a problem with lack of treble. I guess I just wanted to provide more insight on what my ears like. I like to EQ slightly towards a "loudness," or "V" setting, but not too scooped. I absolutely hate the poppy, thumping sound that I get out of my 6x9 speakers right now.

Finally, as a random observation... in my friend's truck, as well as in my own car, I've noticed that bass guitar, or bass synth, sound a lot better than bass drum. I like the smooth, sustained feeling that you get from some subwoofer-designed songs, where the bass drum is low. I'm probably elaborating more than I need to, since you guys probably figured out what I'm saying a long time ago.

I'm really trying to stay under $300. I just basically want to be able to turn up the volume a little higher without having to turn down the bass in order to prevent the ugly popping noise. Thanks guys.
 
Well, I'm bored, and very awake, so here goes, just because you seem to appreciate the advice...

For one You've got 6x8's up front which can make things tricky if you're wanting to get into something nice. The added bonus, however is that they've got alot more surface area than 6.5's so you'll get more low-end. At $300, you're really sort of hurting for what you'll be able to do. Any aftermarket deck really won't have any more power as the stock ones have been measured at 17w (generally more than an aftermarket deck would provide)

I'd reccomend to get a decent set of front speakers, and leave the 6x9's alone. infact, try fading them out a bit. And go for a small 2channel amp to push thenew front speakers with (again, don't worry about the rears, just give your front speakers some juice, they'll really come to life) Try this on a sound board if you get a chance. Take that cd you made (Excellent idea, BTW, that's the best thing you can do, use music that you're familiar with and enjoy) Find some 6x8's (or 6.5's if the 6x8's selection is lacking, you can make a baffle fairly easy) Anyway, find some you like the sound of Just powered off the deck at first, no sub, just deck and speakers. Then switch to just a smallish (35-50w RMS not max) amp powering those speakers, and see what you think. then try some of the others you may have previously passed up as well. 5x7 is the same thing as 6x8 don't let hype make you think different. Also, don't believe that more "ways" makes for a better speaker. generally a coaxile is plenty. The highest end systems generally only have one midbass and one tweeter per side. I personally for simple setups like the sound of JBL GTO and Infinity refrence 6x8's Don't think they need to be the most expensive, as spendier ones usually just require more power. my Infinity Kappa's don't sound good until they've got at least 70w going to 'em. With the amp, a simple Alpine, or eclipse would prolly be your best bets. Both are known to be nice and clean even with their inexpensive units. According to crutchfield, you could get an alpine 2x50w amp for 129, and a set of decent 6x8's for about $100. That leaves you money for shipping and amp-installation goodies. We can walk you through the amp install, it shouldn't take much.

That should give you a good starting point, but I highly reccomend you go listen to them and see for yourself if it's something you'd like. The nice thing to this is you can always add a sub later on. But if good clean music is what you want, nothing beats having an amp on your main front speakers. I know it's kind of against what everyone else seems to do, but this's a way to get your stuff sounding good. The bass won't rumble you at all, but you'll get good, loud, clean full-range music. In fact you likely won't even realize how loud it really is because it's not all distorted and cruddy sounding.

If you were more of an audiophile, I'd say drop the 3bills on a decent set of components and see if you can maybe scrounge up a bit more for an amp (actually the same thing low-end Alpine or Eclipse 2x50ish w RMS)

Components are superior generally inthat their crossovers are better meaning the mid and tweeter are more cleanly seperated whereas with a coaxile, generally the mid will play all notes, and the tweeter will have a very shallow sloped "cap" to block the lows which realistically only just kind of slowly tapers them off. With nice crossovers, you get a fairly sharp cutoff at say 4000hz for both the mid and tweeter so they don't overlap eachother. If you're getting excited about that, keep in mind that most low end "components" really are nothing better than a coaxile just pulled apart, meaning they don't have fully functional crossovers. Generally you'd need to spend about $200

As far as your settings preferances, generally that would suggest more than anythign else that you've got hardware shortcomings in your high and low end, both of which a nicer set of speakers with real tweeters and some power going to them will help. Ideally your settings should be flat and you should get the full range of any type of music you play reguardless of type.

A couple other notes. SONY SUCKS... Honestly, they make cool-looking stuff, but it just doesn't perform as well as anything else I'd be skeptical of this myself had I not had a couple experiemces namely when my stereo got swiped once a friend graciously loaned me his sony, and while it fileld the void, I NEVER liked it. it just wasn't right and I don't know why. The speakers speak for themselves when you listen to them. That may be a part of that "popping" sound you speak of. I'd also take that to be clipping meaning the gain is set too high, and he's trying to push something in the system harder than it wants to go (likely the amp) Another thing maybe that his crossover isn't set properly. General guideline is to set your sub-amp's crossover at about 80hz and have the rest of your speakers play above that. Natureally with smaller speakers there'll be a "gap" as 4's will really only play down to 150 or so with any kind of accuracy. This gap might be alot of what you're missing from the Bass drum that makes it sound ugly to you.

A note on the front-heavy "soundstage" we'll all throw at you. Basically it's a STEREO, not a quadrio. Decks cannot determine any difference front to rear aside from where you want to fade things. Now, for clean non-muddied sound. 6x9's are EVIL. they sit up on your rear deck where they reflect RIGHT off the window, and throw all sorts of noise at the back of your head. The worst part is because they're farther from you than your front speakers, the sound arrives at your ears at a slightly different time which confuses your senses, and like I said, adds noise. YOU don't got to a concert and turn your back to the stage, therefor, ideally you want your sound to "appear" as though it's in front of you, and strongly at that. Rear speakers do have their place, but most of us in here prettymuch don't use 'em. I've got 75w going to my door speaks (soon to be 120ish at a set of focals) and I actually had nicer amped speakers in the back, Wound up reverting to my factory speakers powered off of my deck because it sounds better to me that way. less noise, and mostly no tweeter (the highs behind your head are the piercing confusing ones)

Perhaps someone in here lives close to you and they'll let you experience what a stereo should sound like. If not, venture out. Ask questions, try to experience as much as possible 'cause in the end it's all about what soudns good to YOU, you're obviosuly not trying to impress judges. You're in the right place if you're willing to learn. Caught me in a good mood, sometimes ppl in here can be viscious, and they'll just bark at you to run searches (a good idea as well BTW) *whew* okay if i missed something or you need to know more. Ask away. These guys have helped me WAY more than I could ever express, I like being able to give back.
 
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I think if you like rock music. and you want to hear it good. then I would get a metal tweet. they make the music a little more shart than the silk tweets. I have personally never owned a silk tweet. and dont plan on it. www.sounddomain.com is another site that has some stuff at decent prices. they have it set up nice. you can look at brands of components. I put some cheap crystal mobile sound componetns in a car that I knew I was going to sell, but wanted it sound nice in the mean time. they sound good enough for what you are wanting. maybe something like that. on the thread that i listed above you can look at the TB subs. they are cheap and got wake loves them for the price. 45 shipped.. cant beat that with a stick.
 
Yeah...Pos makes good points. From your description, though, here's my suggestion.

Plan on spending more than 300$ to get what you are looking...er um...listening for. What you have going on is that your 6x9s distort trying to play bass. By just adding a sub, you don't really fix that. You can adjust your sound profile with the HU, because the sub will be adding the bass, but the 6x9s are still getting a full signal, as are the fronts. ideally, what you'd want to do is to have a crossover control what goes where. The easiest way to do that is with an aftermarket HU. You can control what the front rear and sub are getting. Usually you'll just have the sub getting full signal and controlling the Low Pass for it on the amp. However...you'd have to find a HU with those capabilities, and then get the whole sub setup. That will most likely run you 400$ in total.

But...the other system I suggested above, would run approximately 200$ more. I'm not saying that you can't do this differently, but there are a lot of routes you can take. If you like your stock speakers, you can get a 4 channel amp to power the two fronts and a sub. Then turn the fade forward on your stock HU so that the 6x9s don't do anything. You let the fronts handle the highs and mids and the sub handle the lows. That will also leave you with the ability to upgrade.

For you, though, the HU and addition of a sub seems like the easiest option. It'll give you the most flexibility for the price. The cheapest alpine deck to do it is the 9813...unfortunately it's not exactly cheap. I believe Kenwood (which I don't normally recommend), JVC, Clarion, or Pioneer might have a more cost effective option if you look around.
 
I wish I could give advice on this... but I'm the type of person that likes to suggest doing things once and doing them right the first time. I'm probably gonna spend at least 5 grand on my system when the time comes :(
 
Hey guys, thanks so much for all of your help. I am still reading and researching the different options that you guys presented to me, but in the meantime, I purchased a 4x52w Aiwa CD/Mp3 deck from Best Buy, which I was told is something that would benefit me incredibly when used with subs, rather than the stock deck. Plus, being able to play mp3s will be awesome for obvious reasons. Thanks again... I'll let ya'll know what happens!
 
No!!! Not Aiwa!!! Oh boy... :( Well...hopefully it'll do the job, but I wouldn't have gotten it. If it's working for you, though, then hey...good buy! :)
 
Could've done better, but hey you've got MP3 ability now, and RCA outputs do make amping things easier. Not necessary, but easier. Did you install it yet? Make sure to buy a harness they make life much easier.
 
Hey dudes. Today I ordered a pair of Rockford Fosgate FRC3268 Punch 6x8s. They each handle 60 watts RMS, which will be perfect since the deck that will power them puts out 4x52w. I think I'm just going to leave the 6x9s alone, since you guys recommended not really using them. Now, I'm prowling eBay for an inexpensive amp. The 800w Xplod amps seem to be well-priced. I want maximum wattage for the money. I'm going to be putting most of my money into getting a good sub or pair of subs. Later later.
 
Put some REAL actual power to your speakers. I know it's easy to play by numbers, but don't let them fool you. look for RMS or constant power. Max power is prettymuch B.S. kind of what it'll put out just prior to blowing up, and that never happens in reality. Like I said before, you likely don't have ANY more power than your stock deck now, ifnot less even. Put a TRUE 60w to those speakers and it'll be better. I'm not really a fan of RF speakers, but anything decent sounds WAY better with actual power. Did you go and listen to anything or just shop by numbers?

I guess if you just want a car that goes boom, that's all well and good, but if you REALLY want a good sounding stereo to listen to and enjoy, take some time, and do a bit of research, ask us, and even better run searches in here. Morethan anythign else, go out and listen to as much as you possibly can so you cna get a feel for it. Having a TON of power doesn't really do you much if you want to actually listen to it. (okay, granted I DO have alot of power, but I don't use it all) Kinda feels like we've got another ricer slipping through our fingers here.
 
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