I'm in the market for a new vehicle and considering the Mazda5

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2012 Mazda5 Sport AT
I apologize in advance for the long post, but I'd like everyone to be well informed of my situation and mode of thinking.

I am currently leasing a 2005 Nissan Altima 2.5S and will be turning it back into the dealership at the end of June. My family has grown since I leased the Altima from me and my partner to the two of us and three dogs. Thus, a car is out of the question. I've been researching appropriate vehicles for months, trying to decide what will best fit our needs and wants. I've whittled down the choices to the Mazda5, Mitsubishi Outlander, and Ford Escape. Now, the Escape is not my first choice. In fact, it's not a choice at all until the 2009 models come out with updated drivetrains. The Outlander is a nice vehicle but the fuel economy is just a bit lower than I would like and the lack of a telescoping steering wheel makes it slightly uncomfortable for me, at 6'2", to drive. There are some good deals on low-mileage, used 2007 Outlanders around me that are quite tempting. However, the Mazda5 is cheaper to buy and to run. I've seen some good deals on used 2006 and 2007 Mazda5s around here but there are a few things that make me hesitant to buy one: the four-speed automatic transmission (automatic is a requirement, unfortunately) and its associated fuel economy and acceleration penalties, the lack of armrests on all the seats (especially the front passenger), and the lack of rear air vents. All of these were remedied with the 2008 revisions but a 2008 model is more expensive. I've been hesitant to buy a 2008, though, out of fear the 2009 would feature the new Duratec 2.5L I4. From what I've read here, though, it doesn't seem like that will happen. 19 | 24 miles per gallon (city | highway respectively) for the 06-07 models is not exactly impressive nor is 11 seconds to sixty miles an hour (speed isn't something I expect from this kind of vehicle, but if I'm going to get such low gas mileage I want something in return). I read elsewhere that the 2008 model also featured an engine remapping that helped improve fuel economy (besides the updated transmission). Is that true? Can the older engines also use the new mapping so that they, too, achieve better fuel economy? Would you recommend the Mazda5 over the Outlander and other vehicles? Are there any significant problems of which I should be aware? I suppose my final question is: taking into consideration the warranty and mid-life model refresh, is a 2006-2007 Mazda5 worth the savings over a 2008 Mazda5? I'm looking at between $12 and $14,000 for a used model and $17-19,000 for a new one. (The local Mazda dealer is offering an 08 sport automatic for 18,5 and I have a special coupon from Ford up my sleeve that'll give me another grand off of any new Ford Motor Company product, including Mazda.) Thanks for reading and thanks for the criticism and advice.
 
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I like the Mazda5 better than the Outlander, just because the Outlander is an SUV, nothing else. The Mazda5 drive is great for a car that price. I just don't like SUVs, 98% of the time the SUV features are not necessary...

I agree with dreamym5, 08 "seems" a better option, but apart from everything, give it a good test drive, at 6'2" the Mazda5 legroom may not be the best for you (depending of your driving style I should say though)
 
If the coupon is Splan pricing go for it. I paid $19500 + TTL for my 08 GT after Splan pricing and end of additional dealer discount. Not bad at all.
 
We have an '07 Sport 4AT. I don't have any issues wither the 4AT at all. We get about 25-26 combined (50/50) and rarely dip into the low 20s. So far the only tank near 20 was in the dead of winter in the worst snow conditions I have ever driven in! (Did you know that a 5 with snow tires can take on 15" of snow!?! Just make sure the wipers are going to clear the stuff that comes up over the hood).

On the highway, we seem to get between 27-32MPG depending on speed, vehicle load, winds... Highways here are 60/70 MPH, and the wife even got 29 MPG doing 80mph on a trip. Honestly, the 2.3-2.5+ L 4cyl engines just don't get the mileage we associate with the traditional Japanese vehicle. Most of the real fuel sippers were in the 1.2-1.8L size and were very light weight. Modern safety features add weight, and the 17s on the 5 probably don't add to fuel economy (I keep ours maxed out on inflation for best mileage).

One Last Thing: DRIVE A 5! My wife really wanted a larger van and we were test driving a left-over MPV. We happened to drive the 5 as well and that is what sealed the deal for us. Mini-van functionality, yet fun to drive!
 
Thanks for the responses so far.

I've driven the Mazda5 (2008 model) several times in the past few months, including at high altitude (where I was living at the time). I was generally pleased with the vehicle, though there was a substantial difference in the strength of the engine compared to my current car's four-cylinder.

The coupon I have is not S-plan, unfortunately, just $1,000 off after all other incentives.

A used Mazda5 would be cheaper to purchase but would cost a couple hundred dollars more every year in fuel compared to a 2008 model. Even over ten years, however, the cost in fuel wouldn't equal the price difference between new and old, unless gasoline rises even more dramatically than it has in the past few years. I'm not expecting Japanese or Euro-style fuel economy from the vehicle, but I would like better than 24 miles/gallon on the highway. That's one reason I'm interested to know if the older models benefit from an engine reflash, if they can use the same tuning as the 2008 models to increase their fuel economy.

At 6'2" the Mazda5 isn't the best fit but it's quite a bit better than most, especially vehicles that 1) I can afford, 2) achieve reasonable fuel economy, and 3) can contain two people and three large dogs in relative comfort for multi-hour trips.

I'd like to hear more advice, so keep it up. (2thumbs)
 
The '06-'07 automatics were rated at 21/26. Not sure where you got 19/24 from. We have the 5-speed, which was rated at 22/27, and usually get 29-32 mpg on the highway at 70-75 mph. I can't imagine the automatic is much lower. Keep your tires inflated, drive conservatively, and I think high 20s on highway is easy to get regardless of which tranny or model year you get.
 
The '06-'07 automatics were rated at 21/26. Not sure where you got 19/24 from. We have the 5-speed, which was rated at 22/27, and usually get 29-32 mpg on the highway at 70-75 mph. I can't imagine the automatic is much lower. Keep your tires inflated, drive conservatively, and I think high 20s on highway is easy to get regardless of which tranny or model year you get.

Those are the estimated revised figures for the new EPA testing methods, which likewise yield 21 | 27 for the 2008 model:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx2008f.jsp?year=2007&make=Mazda&model=5&hiddenField=Findacar
 
okay, got it, I was wondering if this was some adjustment for the new EPA numbers. But there has been some discussion as to why the '08s 5MT is now rated 22/28 - as far as I know there isn't any difference in the drivetrain. Something is screwy, but I think I can confidently say that 19/24 will happen only if you're a complete leadfoot in the middle of winter. Just filled up the 5 tonight: 29 mpg with the last tank.
 
okay, got it, I was wondering if this was some adjustment for the new EPA numbers. But there has been some discussion as to why the '08s 5MT is now rated 22/28 - as far as I know there isn't any difference in the drivetrain. Something is screwy, but I think I can confidently say that 19/24 will happen only if you're a complete leadfoot in the middle of winter. Just filled up the 5 tonight: 29 mpg with the last tank.

The manual transmissions are the same but the engine got retuned for 2008, hence the higher numbers.
 
do you have a source for this? This question was raised before and I don't recall anyone has raised that particular answer.
 
do you have a source for this? This question was raised before and I don't recall anyone has raised that particular answer.

Sub required here:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=r...1RiWT5oS8r6AXnJOg&sig2=lsxXjQXHdIiwkImur7VniA

But here's MSN:
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=479704&page=2

Mazda5 (base price: $18,630): 21/27 mpg (city/highway)
Most minivans are maxi in size, but the Mazda5 deserves the name. It's the only European-style compact van sold in America, with zippy handling and room for six adults. When the Mazda5 was first released, its fuel economy was disappointing, barely better than full-size minivans. For 2008, however, a new five-speed automatic transmission and retuned engine significantly boost the 5's mileage. That makes this ultra-affordable hauler worth another look, especially for families on a budget.

Also, other markets got their own retuned engines for 2008, so it would make sense if we did, too.
 
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Check out the Fuel Mileage thread in the Engine forum. Haven't seen too many 5AT posts, but they were not significantly higher than the 4AT posts. We have never seen 24MPG in our 07 Sport 4AT on the HWY. In face, we've never seen less than 17 MPG on the highway (70-75).
 
Check out the Fuel Mileage thread in the Engine forum. Haven't seen too many 5AT posts, but they were not significantly higher than the 4AT posts. We have never seen 24MPG in our 07 Sport 4AT on the HWY. In face, we've never seen less than 17 MPG on the highway (70-75).

Uh, I hope you mean 27 on the highway. ;)

What kind of rpm do you run in fourth gear at 70 miles an hour and higher?

Here are the specs on the transmissions for the 5, with total multiplication factors in parentheses:

Five-speed automatic
  • First - 3.620 (13.98406)
  • Second - 1.925 (7.436275)
  • Third - 1.285 (4.963955)
  • Fourth - .933 (3.604179)
  • Fifth -.692 (2.673196)
  • Reverse - 3.405 (13.153515)
  • Final drive - 3.863

Four-speed automatic
  • First - 2.816 (12.435456)
  • Second - 1.443 (6.372288)
  • Third - 1 (4.416)
  • Fourth - .695 (3.06912)
  • Fifth - N/A
  • Reverse - 2.279 (10.064064)
  • Final drive - 4.416

Five-speed manual
  • First - 3.307 (14.511116)
  • Second - 1.842 (8.082696)
  • Third - 1.310 (5.74828)
  • Fourth - .970 (4.25636)
  • Fifth -.755 (3.31294)
  • Reverse - 3.166 (13.892408)
  • Final drive - 4.388

It seems that the five-speed manual provides the highest revolutions in top gear, though it returns the best mileage according to the EPA. I imagine this is due to less parasitic loss compared to the automatic slushboxes. The five-speed automatic provides higher multiplication factors in the first few gears than the four-speed automatic, which should allow for stronger and faster acceleration, while the top gear is the lowest of the three and provides the lowest rpm.
 
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For comparison, the 2008 Ford Escape uses the same 2.3 Duratec I4 and attains mileage of 22/28 with the five-speed manual and 20/26 with a four-speed automatic. They seem to have it geared far more for fuel economy than the Mazda5. Its coefficient of drag is somewhere around .40 or higher while the Mazda5 clocks in at .29, however.

Four-speed automatic
  • First - 2.89 (8.4677)
  • Second - 1.57 (8.4677)
  • Third - 1.00 (2.93)
  • Fourth - 0.70 (2.051)
  • Reverse - 2.31 (6.7683)
  • Final Drive - 2.93

Five-speed manual
  • First - 3.67 (10.7531)
  • Second - 2.06 (6.0358)
  • Third - 1.31 (3.8383)
  • Fourth - 1.03 (3.0179)
  • Fifth - 0.84 (2.4612)
  • Reverse - 3.45 (10.1085)
  • Final Drive - 2.93
 
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paper is paper, real world responses as posted here in a few threads and I lost count how many times in this thread indicate great gas mileage out of the 5. It would easily meet the criterion you seem to be aiming for. I've gotten consistent 25+mpg in town, 22+ in the winter... winter gas, etc. On the hwy the worst I ever got was 28 and that was averaging 80mph. At 65mph you'll get 34+mpg. 70mph you'll get 32+. Soon as you hit 75 it starts tapering faster it seems.

07GT 4AT
 
OOPS!! I meant 27 HWY. Someone would have to siphon out gas at a rest stop to have 17 HWY. I suppose if you took a 5 to a track pedal to the medal racing, you might drop to 17 or less!
 
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