i wanna supercharge my 323 i need some tips

[one tire fire]

i am the proud owner of a 323 protege, and and its time that it get a little more power.

so i though supercharge, because not meny people do that mod
and it is something diffrent.

 

[flat_black]

Welcome to the forums. =) A lot of us aren't from the AU, but there are a lot of folks on here who are!

For sure, there aren't many people who go the supercharger route; All kits thus far are custom, and there are a few good setups, for sure! Most eliminate AC or power steering... There's a kit coming out soon that eliminates the AC, so keep your eyes out. Good luck to you!

 

[coldie123]

hey there, welcome! what kinda of mods do you have so far? and post some pics of your ride

heres the supercharger kit they're currently developing in the US:
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78006

not sure if it'll be a direct bolt on for our aussie 323s, but will probably fit with only minor modifications. good luck!

 

[one tire fire]

only stocko !!!

i have just move to the newy area and haveing fun

she only sotck standard

but i hope to to have it up to scrach very soon

hey there, welcome! what kinda of mods do you have so far? and post some pics of your ride

heres the supercharger kit they're currently developing in the US:
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78006

not sure if it'll be a direct bolt on for our aussie 323s, but will probably fit with only minor modifications. good luck!

 

[insanoman2005]

323bj/f is the same as the American protege. It should work.

I heard on the other forum that he is going to look into making a LOW boost kit (4psi) with AC. It'll be more work installing everything and there will be cutting and wiring but he's doing it because he's tired of everyone cryin bout no ac

 

[tidy protege]

some advice like you i wanted to follow the supercharged path, but i found it is a very expensive path to gain power, i know its a very common form of gain power but have u considered turboing on astina gt we are currently discussing the turbo paths for bj 1.8's and later on a few of us might be envolved in a group buy for a simple bolt on turbo kit.

 

[one tire fire]

i have thought about the turbo, but everyone does it, and anyway i would prefer the low down torque so you will be very explosive off start and out of corners.....

wat sort of turbo are you wanting to get , and are you going to drop the compression???

some advice like you i wanted to follow the supercharged path, but i found it is a very expensive path to gain power, i know its a very common form of gain power but have u considered turboing on astina gt we are currently discussing the turbo paths for bj 1.8's and later on a few of us might be envolved in a group buy for a simple bolt on turbo kit.

 

[old skool style]

some advice like you i wanted to follow the supercharged path, but i found it is a very expensive path to gain power, i know its a very common form of gain power but have u considered turboing on astina gt we are currently discussing the turbo paths for bj 1.8's and later on a few of us might be envolved in a group buy for a simple bolt on turbo kit.

I wouldn't bother wasting your money on a bolt on kit. The amount of money you spend on the kit could get you a familia gtr engine installed with upgrades to the air intake and exhaust, which would give you way more than those silly bolt on kits. I could get more power by straping a vaccum cleaner to my car.

 

[one tire fire]

Wow

WOW you must have one big vaccum, can i have it so i can bolt it on then it will bet your familia motor

I wouldn't bother wasting your money on a bolt on kit. The amount of money you spend on the kit could get you a familia gtr engine installed with upgrades to the air intake and exhaust, which would give you way more than those silly bolt on kits. I could get more power by straping a vaccum cleaner to my car.

 

[twilightprotege]

you can get low down torque with a turbo. just get a smaller one.

ps, we CANNOT use a bpt engine in our cars. regulations state that if you do an engine swap, it must be the same age as the car or newer, not older (unfortunately)

 

[tidy protege]

Also by conicidence the kit available for the 1.8 has a smaller turbo which means more down end torque and because of nature of the engine it will have plenty of top end.

you can get low down torque with a turbo. just get a smaller one.

ps, we CANNOT use a bpt engine in our cars. regulations state that if you do an engine swap, it must be the same age as the car or newer, not older (unfortunately)

 

[twilightprotege]

another thing to get more low down power, get a ball bearing turbo rather than roller bearing and also get a very free flowing exhaust manifold and remainder of the system

 

[one tire fire]

i dont see the point in speending 5-6 grand in a turbo just for it to reach 2-3 PSI and i can speend the same on the supercharger and have it at 10 PSI or higher.

and if you wanna get rid of turbo lag have a wet shot of NOS while the turbo is not working (naughty)
and let the fun time roll

 

[old skool style]

ps, we CANNOT use a bpt engine in our cars. regulations state that if you do an engine swap, it must be the same age as the car or newer, not older (unfortunately)

Regulations are a b**** of a thing. I never said it was legal. It can be if you know the right people and screw the system. There is always a way around everything.

 

[twilightprotege]

agreed - i'm sure you can get a mod plate if you know the right ppl, but still is illegal.

OTF - a turbo can get on boost just as noticebly early as a supercharger if you have the right turbo and setup

 

[one tire fire]

a supercharger has it peck power form 800 rpm it has no lag, but it will loser it max power at around 3500-4000 RPM depends on the sort of supercharger you get a low or a high range. but you will always get lag in turbos if you do it by the books. and a turbo is uesed for its top end speed not for quick starts... why do you think when you look at the dyno stats the line has nothin, nothin and it shoots up the dyno shet like a b****

 

[flat_black]

Not all dynos are like that; The MS Protege's torque curve is pretty flat, and the hp is quite linear as well. The T25/GT28RS spools in effectively at a pretty darn low RPM, I want to say 1000 or so. Supercharging gives you more liniar power, since it's based DIRECTLY off of engine RPM, rather than exhaust pressure, manifold runner size and length, pulse duration, volume, and so on. There are fewer variables, and hence fewer variance in the power line. Lemmee see if I can find a good dyno graph for you...

 

[flat_black]

Here ya go. Nice, smooth powerband:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=32538

That's with a roller bearing turbo, no less! Not a ball bearing.

 

[tidy protege]

From memory there two types of Centrifical and Positive Displacement supercharger.

THE Centrifical Supercharger kind of resembles a turbocharger and like most turbos gives a more top end power band at like 3000 rpm to the rev limiter, This type of supercharger is the more commonly used supercharger for after market applications, i know for a fact that CAPA use this style of supercharger on BA XR8'S which are delivering in excess 400 kw and 700 nm of tourque.

THE Positive Displacement Supercharger from memnory sits on top of the engine and potrudes out like a noise. This type of supercharger is more commonly used in factory applications i.e the supercharged ecotec motor that holden used until recently. The positive displacement supercharger generally developes low end power and torque but lacks the top end of Turbo's and Centrifical superchargers.

My memory is vauge and dont quote me on what i have said but this is my understanding of superchargers.

a supercharger has it peck power form 800 rpm it has no lag, but it will loser it max power at around 3500-4000 RPM depends on the sort of supercharger you get a low or a high range. but you will always get lag in turbos if you do it by the books. and a turbo is uesed for its top end speed not for quick starts... why do you think when you look at the dyno stats the line has nothin, nothin and it shoots up the dyno shet like a b****

 

[twilightprotege]

yes the trick with a supercharger is to have it as close to the intake valves as possible. turbo doesnt matter.

talking at WOT - you'll find that at 800rpm a supercharger is not into positive psi yet as the amount of air it pushes through is less than what gets sucked into the engine. it is not until about 1500rpm that the supercharger is getting into positive psi - and that's still really low. most superchargers do not get into 5-6psi until 2500-3000 rpm....at the same point as a well set up turbo app. if you're talking about less than WOT then yes supercharger as a turbo will not spool. hell even at 8000rpm and as low as possible throttle might still not spool a turbo enough to create positive psi. but why would you want all that power at less than WOT? personally i'd rather have a tame beast while driving normally and a beast when going hard!