I really want an F-RS

i have driven 3 autos and one manual...and i just finished my one day toyota class on them a couple weeks back.

I was looking as possibly stepping into one after i sell my miata at the beginning of the year but will be instead going with a Speed3.

First off the FR-S is gutless...the torque is abysmal and it seems like nothing in the aftermarket, not even turbo setups, are fixing that. Secondly, if you live in a place that your likely to get door dinged or have a high probability of hail, your car is going to look like a golf ball, they used much thinner sheet metal on this car to save cost and weight, a scan tool set on the roof has been known to dent it. Do NOT blow out a front tire, the only thing between you fuse box or ABS module (depending on side) is a thin plastic inner fender well, they didnt continue the sheet metal through out that area. DO NOT buy the Bespoke audio option...it ONLY works with iphone4 and 4s...it does not work with android or the new iphone5. This car has VERY VERY little to do with Toyota, they helped design it thats about it. Everything on the car is stamped subaru or has a subaru part number...i know i went over the entire car. Expect a lot of maintenance as well 0w20 oil changes every 7500miles, various other fluids due earlier than normal, and the biggest one, spark plugs @60k in which you have to remove the exhaust system, several engine parts, unplug a few parts of the wiring harness and jack the engine up several inches to do.

The plus side is that its essential a Miata coupe, the shifting is great...the automatic, if you go that route, is absolutely awesome. Short of a dual clutch its the best auto i have ever driven. there is actually a decent amount of cargo room with the seats folded down, it was designed to hold four wheels with race rubber. The car handles excellent very very planted to the road. Exhaust note is good, though i think the whole idea of piping intake noise into the cabin was a bit much, however no subaru burble as the manifold is equal length. Seats are very very supportive however if your anything over husky your not going to fit, i am 5'10" 220lbs and am about the largest you can get in there width wise, my shoulders are actually a little too big for the seat, height wise your probably good well into the mid 6ft range. Pedals are well placed for heel toe work. And the novelty shift light/buzzer is pretty cool seeing as you can set it yourself.
 
I'm not sure I'd call the FR-S or BRZ gutless. It just came out and is already a legend to many. It's being picked over some of the best sports cars around as the best driver's car and loved by respected automobile journalists and race car drivers. I see awesomeness, not gutlessness.

Autocar Magazine Britain's Best Driver's Car 2012


2012 Motortrend Best Drivers Car - Came in 4th Place

Jeremy Clarkson on the GT86 in the Sunday Times

2012 Top Safety Pick

Earns 5-star ANCAP Crash Test Rating


Fifth Gear GT86 Video Review

 
155ft lbs of torque is gutless on the honda scale of things. If they had figured out a way to get the 200hp and get 185-200ft lbs of torque out of the car it would have been epic but almost every single review of the car i have seen it gets trounced around the track because it cant haul its "lightweight" chassis out of a corner. And since i am on the subject i like how this car is considered lightweight....when did 2700lbs curb weight become light? what happened to the days of the original miata and crx where they were just barely pushing over the one ton mark...thats lightweight. I applaud the effort but honda did it better with the s2000 over a decade ago AND you got a drop top
 
155ft lbs of torque is gutless on the honda scale of things. If they had figured out a way to get the 200hp and get 185-200ft lbs of torque out of the car it would have been epic but almost every single review of the car i have seen it gets trounced around the track because it cant haul its "lightweight" chassis out of a corner. And since i am on the subject i like how this car is considered lightweight....when did 2700lbs curb weight become light? what happened to the days of the original miata and crx where they were just barely pushing over the one ton mark...thats lightweight. I applaud the effort but honda did it better with the s2000 over a decade ago AND you got a drop top

I had two CRX Si so i agreed with you on the weight thing but seems those days are long gone. S2000 was great but so it the FRS/BRZ. Torque could be higher but maybe the future sport tuned model like a BRZ STI will have higher horse power and torque. We'll see. Crossing my fingers actually.
 
BTW, A friend of mine bought that Vortech supercharger kit for his BReeZe (~$4k). He went out to the dyno at Cobb this week and is pulling an 80hp gain over stock with no tune change yet! That points to good things...
 
^^^^ HAHA ^^^^

It crosses my mind sometimes, but pretty much flies right out again...

The reason I want one so bad is because I keep hearing how awesome of a driving machine it is, regardless of power. Kind of like the 2.

I wonder though -- it has 100 more ponies, but weighs about 550lbs more, how does that translate in torque/power/speed feeling compared to the two? Probably not very much more muscle-y I would imagine? I would love to test drive, but right now not many available... especially that I can run up to redline in!

That's a good point. There is a significant difference in power to weight ratio, but how much of that you'll actually notice I'm not sure. Stepping from a 2 into a Mustang V6 or GT, you'll definitely notice a difference though.
 
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