I am not a democrat or a republican, but...

[eting_pro5]

i really dont want to see f911. i dont want any part of it. i think that it is treason.

This is how you empower a dictatorship.

 

[TX Speed Demon]

This is how you empower a dictatorship. Keep up the good work.

And this is how you turn good threads into flame wars.

Matt (thrillride) and I are friends, and I felt we were having an intelligent conversation/debate over this. We may not agree with each other, but I think we both understand where the other is coming from. He's intitled to his own opinion of the movie, whether he's seen it or not. I seriously doubt him choosing to not watch a movie will change our governmental process.

Is there really a need for personal sarcastic remarks here? Comeone man, delete that post and keep the conversations cool.

 

[ThrillRide]

This is how you empower a dictatorship. Keep up the good work.

i knew i should not have gotten into this "sandbox" because of idots like you. try saying something usefull.

Jason, I'll save the rest of my comments for PM or in person. I knew this was probably not the best place to talk about our "United" states president.

i'll be out tomorrow. peace out

 

[eting_pro5]

because of idots like you. try saying something usefull.

Hypocrite. 'Nuff said.

 

[ThrillRide]

(headshake

 

[eting_pro5]

And this is how you turn good threads into flame wars.

Matt (thrillride) and I are friends, and I felt we were having an intelligent conversation/debate over this. We may not agree with each other, but I think we both understand where the other is coming from. He's intitled to his own opinion of the movie, whether he's seen it or not. I seriously doubt him choosing to not watch a movie will change our governmental process.

Is there really a need for personal sarcastic remarks here? Comeone man, delete that post and keep the conversations cool.

Deleted the "keep up the good work" so it's no longer a sarcastic remark.

The first part is a legitimate point. You empower dictatorships when the people cease to challenge the government. This is why the counstitution includes the right to petition the government. The people empower the government. When the people stop doing their own research and allowing the government to act without check, it grows more and more powerful.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with not seeing Farenheit 9/11. I could care less if you see it, if you say it sucks or if you say it's full of lies. What I meant by that comment was that IT IS NOT TREASON or anything remotely close to it. It's simply a form of media produced as a source for information, entertainment and the marketplace of ideas. If you choose not to accept it, that's your perogative and the reason that we have competition in media.

 

[TX Speed Demon]

...When the people stop doing their own research and allowing the government to act without check, it grows more and more powerful.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with not seeing Farenheit 9/11. I could care less if you see it, if you say it sucks or if you say it's likes. What I meant by that comment was that IT IS NOT TREASON or anything remotely close to it. It's simply a form of media produced as a source for information, entertainment and the marketplace of ideas. If you choose not to accept it, that's your perogative and the reason that we have competition in media.

Agreed, and this was a much better way of saying it. (burnout)

 

[goku4658]

why do ppl hate discussing politics on messageboards? i don't see whats the big deal. we all have different opinions, but lets not discourage open discussion.

 

[eting_pro5]

There are a lot of issues dealing with people's trust, dependence and interpretation of media. It's tough to contemplate how the whole market could be fixed so that people differentiate propaganda/lobbying/PR/advertisement/entertainment from news and accept it for what it is.

 

[eting_pro5]

Yeah, too often people take someone's opinion as a personal attack and then say something along the lines of "Why can't you just accept people have different opinions that you and quit being an asshole." When in reality you're just trying to participate in the discussion.....Not that my original controversial post was reasonable.

But I enjoy the politics on message boards...it's good fun.

why do ppl hate discussing politics on messageboards? i don't see whats the big deal. we all have different opinions, but lets not discourage open discussion.

 

[ThrillRide]

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i really dont want to see f911. i dont want any part of it. i think that it is treason.
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so you are saying that by my choice to not see the movie nor want to see it means that i am somehow not challenging government and in turn empowering a dictatorship? or is it because i called it treason? either way i fail to see how this makes me an empowerer of dictatorships.

i was harsh and a bit sarcastic when saying it is treason. TX is my bud and I figured he would take it as humor. however treason can be defined as betrayal or disloyalty. i dont think moore is loyal to our president nor would he be to any president if he sees the opportunity to make money from the mistakes made by the one person with the most responsibility in our country.

calling me a hypocrite and an aid to dictatorships is just dumb. you have no idea who i am or what my beliefs are.

 

[eting_pro5]

i was referring to calling it treason....not that calling it treason does anything, but if the movie were judged as treasonous and those associated with it were punished....then you're contributing to a dictatorship if you honestly support those who say "this is treason."

The use of hypocrite was in response to your post deeming this thread as a sandbox and my posts as useless. Personally I thought that post was "useless" and thus deemed you a hypocrite for implying that everything you posted can be celebrated as relevant and worthwhile.

As for treason, I'm sorry if it was a joke and you felt personally attacked by me. I've had this happen to me on the forum where I made a joke and people took it seriously.

Carry on...

 

[pingdum]

I'm just happy with Bush because he does what he says he will do. He stands by his convictions and wont back down due to fright or political pressure. At least he makes it known that he will STAND by his convictions. He will do what he says he will do. he has already proven his strength in that sense. It is crucial to have a leader with a backbone, who does what he says he will dow. And that is what Bush is.

Except when he says he will not talk to the 9/11 commision, and then he does. Or he says he won't engage in nation building, and then he does. Or says he won't create a Dept. of Homeland Security, and then he does. Bush has you guys hoodwinked like everyone else.
But let's even say he stands by his convictions. Being so stubborn and pigheaded after you've made a mistake is not an admiralble quality. So either way he comes off like a fool.

 

[pingdum]

..... is a bumpking......with jack crap for experience and knowledge. he is a political light weight. he was chosen .......because he can pull a lot of popularity votes.

That's funny because this (editing mine) pretty much describes Bush in the 2000 campaign. The Cons have spent so much time trying to convince people that he's this strong super-leader that you seem to forget that he came into office with a tiny bit of experience and no skills at all. He spent most of his time pre-9/11 on vacation.

 

[Shades]

Well, all I know is I'd rather vote for someone who I know every mistake he makes than vote for some b@stard who sets off every red-alarm for corruption there is. WTF does Kerry know about the "middle-class" tax brackets anyway? He's never brought home his own paycheck to pay taxes on in his life. It's either: Put a man in who mades mistakes in a crisis, but nevertheless, life has returned basically to normal in the United States -- or swap in whatever the hell is behind curtain number 2.

Well in either case... the truth of the matter is that presidents don't control their advisors, the advisors control the presidents. Political science classes help.

 

[DSM2MSP]

Well, all I know is I'd rather vote for someone who I know every mistake he makes than vote for some b@stard who sets off every red-alarm for corruption there is. WTF does Kerry know about the "middle-class" tax brackets anyway? He's never brought home his own paycheck to pay taxes on in his life. It's either: Put a man in who mades mistakes in a crisis, but nevertheless, life has returned basically to normal in the United States -- or swap in whatever the hell is behind curtain number 2.

Well in either case... the truth of the matter is that presidents don't control their advisors, the advisors control the presidents. Political science classes help.

Our lives havent returned back to normal. Bush is controlling the US through fear. Why do you think they have a color coded terrorism system? You honestly dont think it was to actually WARN people about to terrorist attacks do you? We will never be at green so why even have it there? It will always be at yellow and only go up. (BTW, I do work for the DHS).

 

[eting_pro5]

OPINION: The war on Iraq is fairly insignificant in the upcoming election. Despite whatever the candidates say, our troops will occupy Iraq for the AT LEAST the next four years. It's not feasible to overthrow a government, combat and defeat guerilla resistance and establish a self-sufficient government in five years. Whoever is elected will maintain troop presence for the next 4+ years as we train the Iraq's and the resistance subsides.