Help Me Decide: CX-5 vs. CR-V

[Red MC]

Eh- I think yours is backwards and misled by headline numbers and there certainly is no downshifting in the CR-V's CVT haha!! So just because the Mazda's peak torque occurs higher up the band now (for some reason just on the AWDs..?) it certainly doesn't mean its not putting out a healthy number @2000 and although I don't have the curves in front of me I'd bet the CX-5s is also impressively broad and flat- that's what makes the engine so good imo.

What does the 1.5l Honda need in lieu of displacement/compression to produce that amount of low end torque? Boost. And lots of it when fully loaded @70+ into headwinds, climbing hills, it'll need all the boost and definitely more than 2000 revs to keep up...turbo whistling along. I don't doubt Honda still builds (at least major) components that'll last I'd bet on 2.5l NA engine to outlive the 1.5T particularly if their lives don't merely consist of Starbucks and TJs runs.

The 2.5L Skyactiv has a relatively flat torque curve from about 3k rpm on up. The torque starts falling off below 3k rpm and especially below 2k rpm, which is to be expected from a naturally aspirated engine.

Since the CR-V makes more torque at lower revs than the CX-5, it can continue operating in a higher "gear" (is there an analogous word that applies to a CVT?) under load conditions where the CX-5 will have to downshift.

Modern control systems can operate a turbocharged engine at its knock threshold over a wide range of conditions including high boost @ low rpm, and we're starting to get high compression turbocharged engines that are designed to make peak torque from low revs rather than generate high peak HP numbers at high revs. The former is perfect for everyday driving, the latter is good for maxing 0-60 times but not much else in the real world. I've driven VW's current 1.8T which makes 184 lb-ft @ 1500 rpm and even when pushing around a big Passat with 4 people it doesn't feel strained at all. I've also driven Mazda's 2.5T in the CX-9 and it's awesome. The CX-9's competitors all have V6s with higher horsepower, but the only time they feel more powerful is after you hold the pedal to the floor and wait for the transmission to downshift a couple gears.

I'm glad Honda has gotten on board with this idea.

 

[7eregrine]

Finally...someone who understands the beauty of the turbo. Can you hear it on the CX-9?

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[joe6864]

system is not reliable, so in between bouncing, you are most likely out of the lane after 1 or 2 bounces. some other times, it didn't turn enough, so car would slowly go out of lane.

Lane keep assist isn't meant to let you take your hands off the wheel and take a nap. Mazda specifically says that it's a safety feature to assist you when it thinks you're unintentionally going over the line. Personally, the lane keep technology on ANY car isn't trustworthy enough to provide anything more than a very gentle nudge or rumble. Trusting it to "bounce" within the lane is just stupid in my opinion... but hey, maybe I value my life more than others do.

 

[Red MC]

Finally...someone who understands the beauty of the turbo. Can you hear it on the CX-9?

I don't recall hearing any turbo whine. The sound is a little different from the non-turbo 2.5, but if you didn't know you were driving a turbo the sound wouldn't give it away.

 

[7eregrine]

Not the whine I'm looking for. More like the pfshhh. Love that sound. Ugh...making me miss my Saab....

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[banjos-n-beer]

Yup... a spooling turbo is a sound unto itself.

 

[Monterra]

The 2.5L Skyactiv has a relatively flat torque curve from about 3k rpm on up. The torque starts falling off below 3k rpm and especially below 2k rpm, which is to be expected from a naturally aspirated engine.

IDK- my CX-5 pulls hills in 5th under 2k rpms like its job- its a great engine down low- never said that of an NA 4cyl. I'm not opposed to SDTs- heck I drive one. It really pulls like a 6- mileage? eh barely better than my NA6 and certainly nowhere close to 34 hwy the epa says it can do. Question we were posing was will they (not just the turbos but the tiny engines they add stress to) go the distance- 2,300k? Answer: remains to be seen- I kind of doubt it w/o issues.

(is there an analogous word that applies to a CVT?)

Glad you asked!
Continuous Vaginal Termination<--this was modified both to keep the acronym intact and to be slightly less gross so you're welcome

 

[J.R.]

I don't know about the CR-V but thats how lane-keep assist is supposed to work in the CX-5, it's only meant to slightly correct the steering to get your attention so you gain complete control of your vehicle. It's not meant to be a self-steer car. Personally I rather have complete control of the vehicle rather than a computer steer for me therefore the rumbling noise of the Lane Departure Warning is sufficient enough for me. You're also able to adjust the volume of the warning. I definitely wouldn't want any form of vibration, I take it you mean the vibration sound.

It disturbs me that this is even a thing.

 

[Xeler8ing]

Lane keep assist isn't meant to let you take your hands off the wheel and take a nap. Mazda specifically says that it's a safety feature to assist you when it thinks you're unintentionally going over the line. Personally, the lane keep technology on ANY car isn't trustworthy enough to provide anything more than a very gentle nudge or rumble. Trusting it to "bounce" within the lane is just stupid in my opinion... but hey, maybe I value my life more than others do.

Gentle notification or movement is enough for me. I don't want it to take over completely.

That time will come when fully autonomous vehicles are the norm.

 

[Buzzman12]

That time will come when fully autonomous vehicles are the norm.

I'm still trying to come to grips with why the automotive industry is madly rushing head first into developing self driving cars.
Who's asking for this??? Who's the customer here?
I have yet to meet anyone who is actually interested in riding around in a fully autonomous driving car.
I know I'm not. I don't want or need one. There are enough nannies in new cars as it is.

 

[dyingquail]

I'm still trying to come to grips with why the automotive industry is madly rushing head first into developing self driving cars.
Who's asking for this??? Who's the customer here?
I have yet to meet anyone who is actually interested in riding around in a fully autonomous driving car.
I know I'm not. I don't want or need one. There are enough nannies in new cars as it is.

I would be, and so would my parents.

My father has macular degeneration. He can legally drive but probably not for much longer.

My mother lost her reflexes, was dangerous on the road, and we finally pulled the plug on her car. Self-driving would have helped her.

Me, I'd happily let a car drive me to work.

 

[ColoradoDriver]

I would be, and so would my parents.

My father has macular degeneration. He can legally drive but probably not for much longer.

My mother lost her reflexes, was dangerous on the road, and we finally pulled the plug on her car. Self-driving would have helped her.

Me, I'd happily let a car drive me to work.

I concur. I wouldn't mind a self driving car for the traffic situations and what not. For everything else, I would prefer to drive a Mazda though.

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[mactire.rua]

I'm still trying to come to grips with why the automotive industry is madly rushing head first into developing self driving cars.
Who's asking for this??? Who's the customer here?
I have yet to meet anyone who is actually interested in riding around in a fully autonomous driving car.
I know I'm not. I don't want or need one. There are enough nannies in new cars as it is.

I think there is a market for it. Not everyone enjoys driving (blasphemy I know). They just want transportation and freedom to go where they want, when they want, something that public transportation can't do.




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[7eregrine]

Re: Lane Assist. Do not steer for me. A visual cue, I would be ok with. Nothing more.

Autonomous cars: I have yet to see anything that promises it can work in a Cleveland winter. Build that autonomous car. Then talk to me. They test these things in Phoenix. Or Cali. Test them in Detroit. In January.

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[cyberguest]

Re: Lane keep assist

it seems that people generally agree lane keep assist is a useless feature, lane departure warning is sufficient and preferred. Personally, I would be happier if they don't even include it, since they advertised it, i expected it to work better, now I just feel like I paid extra for something I can't use

 

[sonoran]

For me lane keeping assist is for when a driver might doze off if they're pushing a little too long on a long distance drive, or when someone wanders out of lane when they look back at their kid screaming in the back seat, look at their infotainment display to adjust something, or reach down to pick up the thumb drive they fumbled onto the floor when they were trying to put it in the usb slot. These are bad driving behaviors that a high proportion of the population engage in periodically.

Also I see its value for someone who's a real conscientious driver since the more cars there are like this on the road the less likely someone will wander into your lane when they're distracted.

 

[Xeler8ing]

For me lane keeping assist is for when a driver might doze off if they're pushing a little too long on a long distance drive, or when someone wanders out of lane when they look back at their kid screaming in the back seat, look at their infotainment display to adjust something, or reach down to pick up the thumb drive they fumbled onto the floor when they were trying to put it in the usb slot. These are bad driving behaviors that a high proportion of the population engage in periodically.

AFAIK the system was primarily designed for situations like this

 

[sonoran]

AFAIK the system was primarily designed for situations like this

Well, given that I can see how a more assertive system could be useful. Just providing an alert assumes the driver can react, then reorient themselves and take control in time to avoid crossing lanes of traffic, that's not always the case.

But in the long run, I guess it's a personal preference.

 

[Xeler8ing]

Well, given that I can see how a more assertive system could be useful. Just providing an alert assumes the driver can react, then reorient themselves and take control in time to avoid crossing lanes of traffic, that's not always the case.

But in the long run, I guess it's a personal preference.

Yes.... yes it is

 

[Jon.NY]

I concur. I wouldn't mind a self driving car for the traffic situations and what not. For everything else, I would prefer to drive a Mazda though.

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I'm in the same boat. When traffic is bad or at the end of a long day, let the car do the work. I'm not going to enjoy it. I just want to get somewhere.

Let me choose when I want to engage.

I used to say that I didn't want an automatic...now two of my three cars have it. Much less work in traffic. Wasn't much for cruise control and now radar cruise has me won over in stop-start traffic.

Give me an open road, then the third car I have is very entertaining.

And I totally agree about giving independence to partially sighted / physically impaired folks. A real game changer.


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