Ford Probe GT V6 swap??

[cantstopklze]

well i got this as info to be able to do it
You don't need to replace the cross member it's the same.
you'll need the trany,axels,2 lower suspension A arm,booster and master cylinder, engine harness and cpu from the 1.8L V6.air flow meeter, cluster.
If you don't want to have the front to low you could take the shock from the precidia V6 too they are 1/2 inch higher.

 

[xxxmonoxidechil]

you should be able to use your master cyl id assume.

you want the 1.8 ecu out of the mx3, and the probe 2.5 air flow meter.

also look into the curved neck millinia intake manifold to have enough clearence.

 

[cantstopklze]

awsome man thanxs this is my first car ,so im going wild on this one lol all my friends have hondas and volks im fed up of all there talk so im going for somthing new , i just hope it works out,
i also herd the the striaght neck klze is better ,is that treu

 

[xxxmonoxidechil]

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not at all. just depends on your application

and you would not be able to even use a straight neck ZE intake mani, your throttle body would be where your brake master cylinder is. thats why i said use the curved neck millinia manifold for clearence reasons.

 

[cantstopklze]

kk, thanxs man ,all check that s*** out

 

[jeffmsp]

I traded my 94 MX6 LS V6 in for my mazdaspeed. I would never take that kl-03 over a fsdet. NEVER. Ive owned both, modded both, spent hundreds o thousands of KMs in both cars. Stock for stock the msp was considerably faster, handled 10 times better and actually had a back seat. Add $500-$1000 in mods to the msp and you are beating ANY n/a mx6. KL-03 sounds nice but is not impressive in any way. Pretty sure only the OBD1 kl-03 made 170, all obd2 were ~160HP.

The drivetrain in the msp is better. Strong axles and the lsd makes all the difference. KL-03 owners swap it into their transmissions.

The kl motor also has annoying problems like the noisy valve train. KL-03 motor are worth less then $500, if you really wanted to you can put them into 3rd gen proteges, seen it done with a ZE. Guy is in Quebec. and well im pretty sure someone has put a ZE into every generation 1990+ of escort/protege. A guy named mike from feoa had one in his 2nd gen EGT years ago, wasnt very hard.

Also, its been a while since ive cruised probetalk, but last time i did faster PGT was powered by FSDE.

 

[Titanium]

I traded my 94 MX6 LS V6 in for my mazdaspeed. I would never take that kl-03 over a fsdet. NEVER. Ive owned both, modded both, spent hundreds o thousands of KMs in both cars. Stock for stock the msp was considerably faster, handled 10 times better and actually had a back seat. Add $500-$1000 in mods to the msp and you are beating ANY n/a mx6. KL-03 sounds nice but is not impressive in any way. Pretty sure only the OBD1 kl-03 made 170, all obd2 were ~160HP.

The drivetrain in the msp is better. Strong axles and the lsd makes all the difference. KL-03 owners swap it into their transmissions.

The kl motor also has annoying problems like the noisy valve train. KL-03 motor are worth less then $500, if you really wanted to you can put them into 3rd gen proteges, seen it done with a ZE. Guy is in Quebec. and well im pretty sure someone has put a ZE into every generation 1990+ of escort/protege. A guy named mike from feoa had one in his 2nd gen EGT years ago, wasnt very hard.

Also, its been a while since ive cruised probetalk, but last time i did faster PGT was powered by FSDE.

I've had both a msp and a couple ford probes. The slowest of course was my fs powered probe. But after I put a little money into my probe gt I believe it was on par with my msp. My msp dynoed at 156 whp and my pgt put down 151whp. The only mods on my 93 pgt with over 100k on the clock was an intake, greddy catback, flywheel/clutch, motor mounts, and the rest of the mods were for handling. Remember that pgt/mx6 were the bench mark in most magenizes at the time of a fwd sport compact car. In 93 it was named motortrends car of the year. Anytime they would review a car in its class, they would always say how it compared to a pgt/mx6. I'm not taking away from the msp at all but now I have neither and if I had my choice of which car to have back in my driveway it would be hands done the pgt. It has mostly to do with power delivery. I love how the kl puts power to the ground.

Valuetrain- both and most all mazda cars in that time frame have the same hla problems. My FS powered probe had and it was taken care of with the right additive and proper oil changing and same went for my KL powered probe. My msp even made noises when it was oil change time.

Fast Probe on PT- Well I can't think of one fs probe on PT that ever impressed me. The fasted n/a's were in the low 15's and t/c fs's are few and far between. Now as for the KL's, there are at least two n/a powered pgt's in the 11-12 second or better times for the 1/4 mile. Believe there are some t/c KL's that have clipped off some 10 sec passes. But for me that is not the best thing about the car and not it's purpose in life. I love the handling and feel of the car.

One of the fastest pgt owners out there right now has now taken a 323 hatch and put a KLZE in it. I would love to drive that thing! He basically says that you need to get MX3 mounts, wiring harness, axles, and some other mx3 odds and ends. Most people's reaction is why wouldn't you do a bp swap and the answer was that the KLZE was a cheaper upgrade.

 

[xxxmonoxidechil]

the one thing no FS could ever compare to is the sweet sound of the KL. it still is one of the best sounding engines ive heard. and i like the basic design of the KL with its two piece block sandwich'ing the crank. very sturdy design.

of course currently mazda-wise, i own a F2, F2T, FE-DOHC, and a 2.3 dizi, but ive owned a KL, and two FS probe's in the past.

 

[sean22306]

I just sold my 97 probe GTS for my MSP. May actually be getting my old KL back since the guy who bought it already killed the motor. The KL does have a beautiful sound. Mine had a resonated testpipe with borla catback. Still one of the best sounding, most fun cars I have ever owned.

 

[jeffmsp]

the sound IS great, I can attest to that. I could just never see the benefit of swapping a kl into a msp other than if you really really liked the engine or something. I definately wasnt saying n/a 4 cyl probe could catch a v6 n/a, i was talking boosted probes. MX6.com has a bunch of boosted v6 owners too.

 

[winty87]

This is probably pretty dumb but would doing a complete 2.5 SVT Duratec motor and tranny swap be out of the question? The motor is puttin out 195 hp and weighs the same as an MSP.

 

[jeffmsp]

why not spend $1000 on a KLZE, same power less headaches

 

[xxxmonoxidechil]

i agree. it would be stupid to swap a KL into the MSP.


now, a KL swap in any other protege/protege5 is another story........ lol