EVo vs STi vs MSP

[hueman]

That was in early production models only (newer cars have the new maps). Subaru will reflash any car that has a problem. Plus it seems like people that can only get crap 91 octane had the problems anyway.

true. however, that's still a mark of a NEW engine, which was my point. we still don't know how that will hold up in long term owning.

 

[1sty]

Here is a good comparison between the two beasts. What do you think.

Some reasons I could never own an evo:
1. It has clear tail lights....I F#$#%% HATE CLEAR TAIL LIGHTS. Toyoya should be destroyed for creating them.
2. It has carbon fiber. That damn carbon fiber on the wing is repulsive. Not to mention I hate anything carbon fiber that inst'n functional as weight savings.
3. After the 3000GT I don't trust Mits reliability.
4. The interior looked cheaper then the protege.

I do like the evos lines better but those Suby tail ights are the s***!

 

[Kooldino]

I'd get an STi, mostly because I've seen really nice body kits for them, so you could actually make it look nice.

 

[simdrew]

Hey pro5utah, that animation in your sig rocks. (thumb)

 

[hueman]

Some reasons I could never own an evo:
1. It has clear tail lights....I F#$#%% HATE CLEAR TAIL LIGHTS. Toyoya should be destroyed for creating them.
2. It has carbon fiber. That damn carbon fiber on the wing is repulsive. Not to mention I hate anything carbon fiber that inst'n functional as weight savings.
3. After the 3000GT I don't trust Mits reliability.
4. The interior looked cheaper then the protege.

I do like the evos lines better but those Suby tail ights are the s***!

true, the tails are god-awful. luckily, i got evo 7 tails to replace them. the interior is better on the STi and msp, but the seating position and grip of the seats is better on the evo--and anyway, i don't really care that much about interior or exterior looks (which was why i didn't get the rx8). last i checked, the wing is actually lighter than the evo 7's... i may be wrong, but i thought it was functional. i'm not a fan of the STi's spoiler, mainly its bottom portion.

as for reliability, i trust the 4g63 very much due to its long history. any problems it's had has been, by and large, worked out (re: crankwalk).

oh well. i've succeeded in influencing my friend to get an STi over a 350z though..

 

[Pirana]

Sometimes I dont like the wing, but looking at it, it makes you see that is not a plane simple flat wing for a reason, it has a true wing desigm which my enigeering friends seem to admire.

 

[Phil P]

true. however, that's still a mark of a NEW engine, which was my point. we still don't know how that will hold up in long term owning.

In a few weeks you will see the base engine released in the new Legacy ( "05 USDM) line ( GT and Outbacks) as well as being available for some time in the Turbo Foresters and T Bajas. This will be at 250 HP. The engine has a zillion hours on it in all states of tune up to 400 HP in various special purpose cars. Pinging was noticed in Calif. in some early STis with some fuels on 91 octane. Calif. requires a different fuel blend stats than many other states. As already mentioned a reflash handled it. It's a non issue.

Easy Street out of North Hollywood runs in the 9s 1/4 mile, full bodied putting out some 700HP++ in there highly modified engine STi with an auto trans.
Pretty good reliability for 1/4 miler.

Info on the '05 Legacys is at www.need-desire.com

The site includes specs, colors and '05 USDM MSRPs.

 

[Installshield 2]

wow....Some very good points in this thread...

I don't want to make a decision on one...I like them both...I want either a black EVO or a white STi with bronze wheels...

But to break it down as far as performance...Stock vs. stock the EVO sags a little in straight line performance, and is the better handler...which has been mentioned...SCC claims it is much cheaper and easier to make the EVO faster than a stock STi than it is to make the STi handle better than the Evo...(basically took a boost controller and a downpipe or something...and the standard procedure of resealing the entire turbo plumbing...that on its own was giving them 275whp w/o the downpipe installed yet and at stock boost)...

And I trust the 4g63 more than the STi's mill...With that said, my girlfriend will get the STi, and I will get the EVO...

 

[hueman]

In a few weeks you will see the base engine released in the new Legacy ( "05 USDM) line ( GT and Outbacks) as well as being available for some time in the Turbo Foresters and T Bajas. This will be at 250 HP. The engine has a zillion hours on it in all states of tune up to 400 HP in various special purpose cars. Pinging was noticed in Calif. in some early STis with some fuels on 91 octane. Calif. requires a different fuel blend stats than many other states. As already mentioned a reflash handled it. It's a non issue.

Easy Street out of North Hollywood runs in the 9s 1/4 mile, full bodied putting out some 700HP++ in there highly modified engine STi with an auto trans.
Pretty good reliability for 1/4 miler.

Info on the '05 Legacys is at www.need-desire.com

The site includes specs, colors and '05 USDM MSRPs.

can you link me to the easy street site? i did a search and couldn't find it.

edit: i found an easy street wrx that runs 10's... but that's a different engine.

anyway, i didn't say anything about the STi lacking in performance or upgradability. i said the engine was new. the pinging, while it may be a "non-issue" to you and most STi owners, is still a mark of a new engine and its engineering--doesn't matter if the problem has been fixed or is a minor issue in a state that heavily impacts the target marketing demographic. that the engine is being released in many new subarus doesn't mean it has a proven history; i don't know why we're debating this: has the engine been around, and has it proven itself? no.

 

[1sty]

Its not that I don't trust the Evo's engine...thats the oly part I do trust. Its the rest of the car mixed with Mitsubishi's record that is hard to put faith in.

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

HI!

just had to bring up my sig for kicks.

 

[BOOSTR]

If I was spending $30K, I'd get a black EVO. One drive and you forget all about that wing! Both are great cars, but I have read more positive things about the EVO. Its ready-to-go out of the box. Available add-ons make it even more impressive.

 

[Phil P]

Easy Street:

http://www.easystreetmotorsports.com

best 1/4 mile in Aus. high 8s.

can you link me to the easy street site? i did a search and couldn't find it.

edit: i found an easy street wrx that runs 10's... but that's a different engine.

anyway, i didn't say anything about the STi lacking in performance or upgradability. i said the engine was new. the pinging, while it may be a "non-issue" to you and most STi owners, is still a mark of a new engine and its engineering--doesn't matter if the problem has been fixed or is a minor issue in a state that heavily impacts the target marketing demographic. that the engine is being released in many new subarus doesn't mean it has a proven history; i don't know why we're debating this: has the engine been around, and has it proven itself? no.

 

[hueman]

i can't enter the site for some reason, i dont' know why. anyway, what i DID find out about the easy street wrx is that it is not an STi; it uses the ej20 engine.

 

[Rainman]

STi is next stablemate to our MSP

I just leased a 2003.5 MSP in Dec 2003. I was instantly hooked. Couldn't go back to the run of the mill 4-bangers anymore. Now my wife's lease on her 2000 Protege SE is up in a few months. I had always loved the STi until the last little while or so when the Evo VIII started to catch my eye. Thinking that I might make the step up, I went to my local Mitsu dealer only to find that the Evo VIII (and VII) were inadmissible in Canada because the FMIC was located so close behind the front bumper that it could not pass the 5km front bumper collision test. Mitsubishi Canada released a statement that they wouldn't do any changes to the front bumper on the Evo VIII because Canada represented too small a market share for them to justify the expense. That killed the Evo VIII idea. So it comes back to the STi.

I am off to test drive one tomorrow evening. I already now that I will love the car. I drove a regular WRX a few weeks ago and enjoyed it, but I just want to see if the STi is all that it is cracked up to be. It is pretty much a done deal for me. Now I just got to figure out how I can feed my kids on lint for the next 4 years....LOL!

Rainman

Here is a good comparison between the two beasts. What do you think.

 

[Rainman]

That sig rocks!

Very, very cool sig!

Rainman

i got to flog a EVO the other day and I have to admit that i was pretty impressed. i havent got to go behind the wheel of the STi yet but the evo is definately an impressive car. in terms of looks i might lean towards the STi just cause i like the front end a bit better but in performance from what i have heard from everyone they are about even with the EVO having the edge.....
tough decision.....
i would probably go with the STi though.
just my .02

 

[Phil P]

In 2.5 or 2.7 displacement. Modified obviously, it's a drag racer. Sleeved block etc etc etc. If your looking for a stock "STi" engine in this class of drag racer, won't happen. The point is the block/engine family are all swappable in components. Cranks, heads (SOHC, DOHC), rods,flywheels etc etc. Proving long time durability. Hang on to the thought the STi is untested. (hand)

i can't enter the site for some reason, i dont' know why. anyway, what i DID find out about the easy street wrx is that it is not an STi; it uses the ej20 engine.

 

[gunners]

Check out this website for the lo-down on the Evo v/s STi comparo.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=592&page_number=1

Technically the EVO looks superior as it is capable of matching the U.S. STi despite the lack of engine capacity (2.0L v/s 2.5L)... that in itself shows that the EVO is a great engine.

Personally, I'd go for the EVO as down here in Australia the STi comes only with the 2.0 L engine (similar to the Japanese version) ... on par (as far as engine capacity is concerned) the EVO is by far superior than the STi...

EVO rocks... now if Mitsubishi could work a bit more on the finish....

 

[Pirana]

that in itself shows that the EVO is a great engine

Not really, it shows that the EVO suspension is tuned far more aggresive than the STi. The weak link in the STi and for that matter in all Imprezas is the rear McPherson strut desing unlike the EVO. As far as the engine been more capable is just because there are more tunning options. On this age in motorsports the key element is ECU tunning and not the engine itself. A good example is the MSP, where the engine is as weak as it gets, still when properly tuned can withstand over 300 horsies to the crank as proven by HiBoost P5 with over 270whp. (wedge)

 

[II-Savy]

I voted for the STI.
Reason:

I test drove both. I liked the STI because of the little softer suspension. As a daily driver I'd rather have a little more forgiving car. The EVO was like a rock. Every bump sounded like it was damaging the car. I also liked the interior in the STI better. The EVO seemed like it had a ton of thin cheap plastic. I also feel the cars that each company started with are important. I'd rather drive a base imprezza that a lowely lancer.

I also feel the EVO STI MSP are not in the same camp. Both the evo and STI have much higher HP ratings and prices. The STI is ALMOST double the HP.

Boils down to one of the last statements in that article:
"The Subaru Impreza WRX STi was the better car on the open road, and the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution performed better on the racetrack." -Road and Track

I can't drive to work on a race track.