ES-T vs . STI ????

Here is my position...Protege is a great car, but if you ever plan on selling it to recoup some losses, don't do it. You will never get the money back on it. At least with an STi you can have some re-sale value. If that is of no concern then more power to you. I like to have a different car than other people. An STi is a dime a dozen now, but a sub 300 hp protege is a little harder to find, you will be one of the only ones around.
 
I would have to say, I love my protege. I am still toying with to idea of getting a strong tranny gears/lsd, and a stronger bottom end. If I did that I wouldn't be any where near the cost of a sti or evo. Plus as mentioned earlier with the right tune (i.e. JDM Sam) you will be spanking sti's in no time.
 
kamon8404 said:
I would have to say, I love my protege. I am still toying with to idea of getting a strong tranny gears/lsd, and a stronger bottom end. If I did that I wouldn't be any where near the cost of a sti or evo. Plus as mentioned earlier with the right tune (i.e. JDM Sam) you will be spanking sti's in no time.
yeah and front wheel drive
 
With a 10k dollar budget, keep the es as a daily driver, and build a sr20, turbo miata, something along those lines. You'll have fast fun, and reliability.
 
jred321 said:
the FS engine has been out since at least 93 when it was used in the ford probe/mazda mx6. the 4g63 first appeared in 89, not too much different, they're both teenagers

Just to let you know the 4g63 came around in the 70's, and was first turbo'd back in 1980 in the Galant. Very far from a teenager.

I would say that if you do not have another car to drive, then throwing a turbo kit in your car would be very silly. It will not run half of the time, although it would be a great project car. So, if you can only afford one car, than an STi is definitely a great choice (I love Evo's 10 time more, but no go in Canada). What ever you do, make sure it is 100% what you want to do. No point in jumping into something you really didn't want.
 
Yellow MSP said:
Just to let you know the 4g63 came around in the 70's, and was first turbo'd back in 1980 in the Galant. Very far from a teenager.
i always thought those were different 4g engines and were "related" like how the starion/conquest motor is related to the 4g63 motor but still totally different, or how the fe motors are related to the fs motors but still totally different.


after some research, looks like you're more right.
http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216341&highlight=4g63+history
This emphasis on shooting for the stars was not only manifested in multiple evolutions of the same platform, but was reflected in the code names of their experimental engine families. Their experiments with the Astron motor, would evolve into the Sirius motor(4GXX). The Astron, which was used in the Galant GTO, featured DOHC and "silent shaft technology" Although the Colt, Lancer, Galant GTO, and Galant FTO were 70's cars, I have included them in this thread because this motor is directly responsible for the 4G63 we all know and love; because the last of these cars, the 2000 GSR, used the first sirius 4G63. As a matter of fact, the first 4G series motors were sold in the US in the late 1970s, in the Lancer hatchback(known as the Celeste in japan), as the Plymoth Arrow, and Mitsubishi Colt

they all had different heads though, so the DOHC 16v didn't come out til the late 80s, but the bottom end was the same since the late 70s/early 80s. good thread over there, interesting to read up on how an engine develops over time. don't see that very much
 
I'd say keep the protege. Anyone with decent credit and cash can buy a STI.. but not everyone can proudly boast a 300WHP protege. I love my protege. I've been at several different dealerships with the idea of trading my protege in.. but i can't do it. Its centimental value now. Think of it like this....

Assuming your car is paid for, with a 20k loan you can put 13k into your ride with insane looks and power, and use the other 7 to get you another ride as your daily driver. Your payments for 5 years would be about 350 ish a month. You will ALWAYS have a car payment. And if you already have alot into your protege you done taken the steps of loosing out if something happened to it. But thats life, its too short to settle for good enough. I'm sure others would agree.

And when you are done you can enjoy carshows and watch the troophies rack up when they see that clean/fast ass protege. Not to mention the pride of spanking GT's STi's EVO's ect..
 
I know boosting a stock protege is not the smartest thing to do in the world, but some of you guys I think are being a little bit to one sided. If you get a decent turbo kit, nice engine mgt, and stay at a safe level say 8 psi, and get a PROFESSIONAL Dyno Tune, then I dont think its that much of a hassel. Of course my car isnt turbo YET. I know plenty of you out there have had bad experiences with it, but did you do all the stuff I stated above??? If you did let me know and I might change my mind as well!!!
 
The ES would explode long before it came close to being as fast as a STi and you have alot of suspension work to do to match it. Plus brakes.
 
I did blow my tranny but that was an issue with early released 02 pros. Other than that J&S Safeguard ($500) has been my savior with my Hiboost now at 12psi. Other than some boost/vac leaks causing idle problems "knocks on wood" I could not be happier!! I have maybe $8k in only go fast mods including full coilovers.

I am definately getting a welded MSP LSD and GTX 3rd&4th but am now debating whether building the motor is necessary and worth it. Wheelspin is bad enough now!
 
MSP LSD no longer exists.
Mazda is now replacing MSP LSDs with standard protege Diffs.

Neither the Diff, the tranny, or the drive shaft can sustain the power required to play with an STI. Not to mention there is ZERO chance of ever having a protege hook up on a take off like the STI's all wheel drive allows it to.
 
army_mechanic said:
I know boosting a stock protege is not the smartest thing to do in the world, but some of you guys I think are being a little bit to one sided. If you get a decent turbo kit, nice engine mgt, and stay at a safe level say 8 psi, and get a PROFESSIONAL Dyno Tune, then I dont think its that much of a hassel. Of course my car isnt turbo YET. I know plenty of you out there have had bad experiences with it, but did you do all the stuff I stated above??? If you did let me know and I might change my mind as well!!!

You CAN turbo a protege right and enjoy it without the issues. But, I've also been on the other side during this process. . .I used to think the MP3-T's most glamorous angle involved jack stands - it did sit in my garage much longer than I had expected. But pony up the funds for a good kit (tweak it a bit), get a good ems and other items and do it right. It can be done quite successfully, but it can also be done very poorly (aka kaboom, weekly wrenching, or lack of driveability). Learn from those that have been there before and it will definitely be less painful for you. And yes, the surprise when your little econo-box blows something much bigger away is priceless. Anyone (with some cash) can buy a fast car, how many can build one (especially when the odds are against you)?
 
Little Beavis said:
You CAN turbo a protege right and enjoy it without the issues. But, I've also been on the other side during this process. . .I used to think the MP3-T's most glamorous angle involved jack stands - it did sit in my garage much longer than I had expected. But pony up the funds for a good kit (tweak it a bit), get a good ems and other items and do it right. It can be done quite successfully, but it can also be done very poorly (aka kaboom, weekly wrenching, or lack of driveability). Learn from those that have been there before and it will definitely be less painful for you. And yes, the surprise when your little econo-box blows something much bigger away is priceless. Anyone (with some cash) can buy a fast car, how many can build one (especially when the odds are against you)?
werd dude...
 
1sty said:
MSP LSD no longer exists.
Mazda is now replacing MSP LSDs with standard protege Diffs.

Neither the Diff, the tranny, or the drive shaft can sustain the power required to play with an STI. Not to mention there is ZERO chance of ever having a protege hook up on a take off like the STI's all wheel drive allows it to.
maybe for like 2-3 seconds. but i have seen a mazdaspeed kill the s*** out of an sti in person before. from a stop too. credit:discreetspeed.
 
STI's at best hit 60' at 1.6, us at best with street tires maybe 2.1 that's at bit to catch up to, but every race I've ever had with rwd or awd has been them in front from the take off and me passing them at mid-high second gear and a few close ones coming into third. This has been from a dead stop on the street to like 70. From a roll they are toast!!!

Not to say that one time something might not break but J&S covers the motor completely and possibly why I have been in tact since getting my second tranny with the revised shift forks and what ever else is having the opened differential. Less stress on the axles and cv joints I would think with the opened diff.


1sty said:
MSP LSD no longer exists.
Mazda is now replacing MSP LSDs with standard protege Diffs.

Neither the Diff, the tranny, or the drive shaft can sustain the power required to play with an STI. Not to mention there is ZERO chance of ever having a protege hook up on a take off like the STI's all wheel drive allows it to.
 
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