Engine Swap...MASSIVE POWER!!

[PCspeed3]

throw a 2JZ in that b**** and I will high five ya. A vid on youtube of a CRX with one that beats a lambo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzP-etuL6Y8

annoying music but a great video.

 

[my3needsaname]

Beaten down, stupid, or too expensive doesn't matter. Perfect sleeper 3 ever. That's all I'm gonna say to these replies.

 

[08_MS3_GT]

ummm an FMIC = if a car enthusiast sees it, it's no longer a sleeper. i see those suckers from a mile away.

aaaaand STI's aren't that quick. from a stop, yes, but one of them couldn't lose me on the fwy. tho the numbers indicate that they're faster.. drivetrain loss?

aaaaand since when is the ms3 NOT a sleeper as-is??? the 18's are the biggest giveaway. i'm guessing someone's discussed swapping the ms6 drivetrain onto an ms3 - a stg3 ms3 + awd would be a solid sleeper. or maybe it doesn't even have to be a sleeper. isn't 'sleeper' just another word for a somewhat fast car that isn't all that fast but faster than how fast it looks to be? unless you take into consideration the 'volvette' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f86bsY1Iv9I&feature=related

i need NOS. one of the big ones. actually, make it two. and harry, i need it by tonight! i NEED it so johnny tran's cousin realizes that somebody put in the wrench time on my car.

 

[my3needsaname]

See an FMIC doesn't necessarily scream sleeper, I could just have one because at some point in the future I want to upgrade it. Besides if it's hidden behind the stock lower grille and you take off the manufacturers name then it looks like a radiator if you get one that's tall enough.

 

[NCZ13]

See an FMIC doesn't necessarily scream sleeper, I could just have one because my car was overheating or at some point in the future I want to upgrade it. Besides if it's hidden behind the stock lower grille and you take off the manufacturers name then it looks like a radiator if you get one that's tall enough.

wat

 

[my3needsaname]

huh?

 

[Kurt07]

Isn't the MS3 pretty much a sleeper from the factory? At least I think it is.

 

[tripledigits]

If you're going to the trouble of an engine swap on an already great car, I'd recommend spending your time building a kit car, such as a FFR GTR, and put big horsepower through a RWD car with tires that can handle the horsepower.

Nothing more ridiculous than big horsepower in FWD with skinny tires. Like a 600 hp Hayabusa. When you have to be going over 120 to have the tire(s) hook up, you've got more power than you need.

BTW, a 2JZGTE engine is very heavy, and would absolutely ruin the MS3s balance. From a racing perspective, the weak point of the Supra is that the car is heavy (thanks in part to the engine), the engine is too far forward and quite high. I'd go through a set of DOT R race tires in 2 days on the road race track in a Supra, with even wear front and rear.

 

[AutoXRacer]

I've read up on the turbo deals and that power doesn't equate to the power of an MS3 engine.

Actually, you will make a lot more power with the FI MZ3 engine than you will make with the DI MZR MS3 engine.

The MS3 engines are weak and the fuel system and tune have not been unlocked...not to mention knocking issues, small turbo, etc...

There used to be a 500HP MZ3 running around here...NO MS3 will ever touch that.

 

[08_MS3_GT]

i think that the MS3 engines could prove capable - if i'm not mistaken, the mkV gti uses the same basic fuel system but has more aftermarket upgrades available because of greater demand - APR has several kits. if/when the aftermarket unlocks the capability of the tech in the MS3, there might be some solid results. note that adding a performance chip to the mkV gti nets a 50 hp gain.

also, i thought that the direct injection made engine knocking easier to control. and the small turbo size is common on OEM turbo cars because most consumers think that turbo lag is awful. that problem can be solved pretty easily by bolting on a 3071.

that said, AutoXRacer, exactly how weak are the MS3 engines? i'm pretty sure the stock MZ3 would need internals upgrades before an MS3 would. and the MZ3 would need brakes and suspension upgrades before the MS3..?

putting down BIG power on an MS3 doesn't seem practical IMHO because the fueling system hasn't been unlocked and suppliers haven't done enough R&D yet.

 

[AutoXRacer]

No chip or tune has given the ms3 50hp gain... (lol2)
Most ms3 engines have popped a rod at approx 350 HP.

Well, I was commenting on the OP's thread about swapping out the mz3 for a ms3 engine. He was talking about putting a ms3 engine in his mz3.

That would not buy him anything...it would actually hinder his ability to make power. The mz3 engine has more capability to make more power than we do right now since the fuel injected technology has been mastered. It will be a while before the ms3 direct injection technology will be reliable for high horsepower.

 

[my3needsaname]

Ok so, screw swapping out for an MS3 engine and just put in like $10K on my MZ3 engine? That's what we've gotten to?

 

[tanksloth]

Woah

Well base model wrx while heavy can be modded to surpass STI stats. While not too cost efficient. Wrx + Lots of $$ parts and tune lots of $$. Power to weight when compared to mz3 or ms3 weight is comparable.

Want a beast?

Put a GM 6.0L into a miata (95+)
Or why not do a MZ3/MS3 V8 swap. With the aftermarket for these GM small blocks and the durability. VS the V8 ford(BOO!) focus swap.
I mean **PooP** a 5.3 GM V8 will run for 150K+ with a Whipple supercharger and produce + 400hp at the wheels. whipple kit 3500$ engine + tranny 1500$ (ebay).
Get the mounts and cross members fabricated. Then use a Caddy CTSV rear end. Still total cost less than the JDM or US SUBARU swap plus the tune. SUBAURU STI's do not like aftermarket, besides working the symmetrical All wheel drive To fit.

BTW I have a not so stock 08 MZ3 GT every option known to man( DEBADGED( besides AXELA). not in it for any Et's, light to light or 1/4 times love the fuel economy and peppy feeling ZOOM ZOOM. ALSO 1999 CHEVY 2 DOOR TAHOE 5.7 V8 290 ish HP 360 TQ Stock internals beside CRANE Comp Cam Nice Holley Regulated, External Tranny controler.( soon to be a predator tranny).

I know power and with the MZ3 Blowing up after 300+ hp just go like flying miata V8 RWD INSTANT POWER.
If you want a beast 4 cylinder get a SRT4 NEON and build it up.
OR NEW cobalt coupe SS TURBO or TURBO SKY ( I have no clue how tuneable they will be)
Awesome Machines LIGHT AND GM

 

[Captain KRM P5]

I have heard and agree that it would probably be cheaper to build a forged motor and boost it for a reg 3. But it is a really excellent idea for a sleeper.

there is more flexibility in tuning the fuel system on a standard 2.3 than there is on a mazdaspeed. more options to tune from in terms of engine management, and arguably easier. a mazdaspeed3 manifold and turbo will physically bolt to the head of a 2.3 or 2.0 L3 or LF engine. run a FMIC, charge pipes, larger injectors and engine management and away you go.

 

[my3needsaname]

Well base model wrx while heavy can be modded to surpass STI stats. While not too cost efficient. Wrx + Lots of $$ parts and tune lots of $$. Power to weight when compared to mz3 or ms3 weight is comparable.

Want a beast?

Put a GM 6.0L into a miata (95+)
Or why not do a MZ3/MS3 V8 swap. With the aftermarket for these GM small blocks and the durability. VS the V8 ford(BOO!) focus swap.
I mean **PooP** a 5.3 GM V8 will run for 150K+ with a Whipple supercharger and produce + 400hp at the wheels. whipple kit 3500$ engine + tranny 1500$ (ebay).
Get the mounts and cross members fabricated. Then use a Caddy CTSV rear end. Still total cost less than the JDM or US SUBARU swap plus the tune. SUBAURU STI's do not like aftermarket, besides working the symmetrical All wheel drive To fit.

BTW I have a not so stock 08 MZ3 GT every option known to man( DEBADGED( besides AXELA). not in it for any Et's, light to light or 1/4 times love the fuel economy and peppy feeling ZOOM ZOOM. ALSO 1999 CHEVY 2 DOOR TAHOE 5.7 V8 290 ish HP 360 TQ Stock internals beside CRANE Comp Cam Nice Holley Regulated, External Tranny controler.( soon to be a predator tranny).

I know power and with the MZ3 Blowing up after 300+ hp just go like flying miata V8 RWD INSTANT POWER.
If you want a beast 4 cylinder get a SRT4 NEON and build it up.
OR NEW cobalt coupe SS TURBO or TURBO SKY ( I have no clue how tuneable they will be)
Awesome Machines LIGHT AND GM

ummm...what? An SRT4? Really? If you build up an SRT4 the plastic will fall off and the car will explode, considering Dodge doesn't use metal and everything is made of plastic, then the there goes your car right there. Yay Dodge quality!!!...not.

 

[AutoXRacer]

ummm...what? An SRT4? Really? If you build up an SRT4 the plastic will fall off and the car will explode, considering Dodge doesn't use metal and everything is made of plastic, then the there goes your car right there. Yay Dodge quality!!!...not.

you have to admit though...that SRT engine is awesome... There are tons of SRT-4 running 11s...that are being driven to work everyday...just gets me sick...

 

[mazda3rev]

here's crazy swap for you

hey right now i'm on the mission of swappin out the mazda 3 engine out for a bluebird sr20det yeah its prob gonna be a little rough but i'm sure I can make it happen, anyways I've been doing alot of research and I think it can be done. well just wanna see how many people think its a crazy idea or what hit me up.

 

[wisniaPl]

you have to admit though...that SRT engine is awesome... There are tons of SRT-4 running 11s...that are being driven to work everyday...just gets me sick...

youre right those bastards are quick.....

 

[labikesrcool]

i would only think this was a good idea if it was done to a sedan! if it was to a hatch i would just call u an idiot and ask u why u didnt just buy a ms3! not being an ass but it would prolly end up costing the same!

+1
put stock 3 wheels on a speed shave the emblems off and most of the world will not know you have one from the outside. Inside you have to deal with the seats having the mazdaspeed on them but overall you will save yourself so much money by just buying the speed

 

[08_MS3_GT]

hey right now i'm on the mission of swappin out the mazda 3 engine out for a bluebird sr20det yeah its prob gonna be a little rough but i'm sure I can make it happen, anyways I've been doing alot of research and I think it can be done. well just wanna see how many people think its a crazy idea or what hit me up.

keeping the sr20det in the nissan will let you have rwd+less weight=faster and better. then you have a nice dd and a fun spare car.