Do you down shift while daily driving?

the problem with the question of downshifting while daily driving is that it is so general, especially when it deals with driving a car. there are too many situations that are different and require different driving habits

for me, if im on a road that warrants 6th gear speeds and i see a light ahead that's red or in the process of changing i generally rev match to 4th which starts a nice slowing, then i begin to apply the brakes. before the rpms get too low (like at a stalling number) i just put it in neutral. but that's just 1 situation that could just as easily go a much different way and thus require a totally different kind of slowing. ie, i could be in 6th cruising and the light changes at the point where you can't waste time downshifting, so you have to go right into braking (maybe even hard braking if it's a fast enough road).

if you live in pretty much any other state than florida sometimes you have to downshift when coming to a hill (downhill). in certain areas around where i live the downhill slopes can be long, and have a stop at the end. that's when i rev match a really low gear like 3rd and the rpms will be high (between 4 and 5k). but what that does is maintain a constant speed, but save the brakes. and i always wonder about the ppl that ride their brakes down some of these hills cuz doing that is one of the worst things you can do for your brakes. that's what gives you hot-spots in your rotors and takes plenty of pad away.

but once again that's only a couple situations, there are soooo many that you have to deal with on a daily basis. but if i were being general, i would say that i do use engine braking in select moderation, and i always rev-match to do so.

and btw...NOTHING engine brakes like a bike does. that was like 90% of my slowing down
 
Like what bike? A Harley? Most modern SBs have a slipper clutch and large holes between the cylinders to DECREASE engine braking effects, because, at the limit, that's what locks up the rear tire at the threshold of traction. If 90% of your slowing down is due to engine braking, you're certainly riding a Harley. (cabpatch)
 
Like what bike? A Harley? Most modern SBs have a slipper clutch and large holes between the cylinders to DECREASE engine braking effects, because, at the limit, that's what locks up the rear tire at the threshold of traction. If 90% of your slowing down is due to engine braking, you're certainly riding a Harley. (cabpatch)

don't know what you're talking about, but my gixxer 600 easily pushed me forward in my seat when i blipped the throttle up and dropped gears in high rpms. all those rpms with the throttle plate closed really forces the rpms (and therefore speed) to drop rapidly
 
Of course it does but, if you don't know what I'm talking about, you must have an older bike. Manufacturers, especially since '05, are doing everything to limit engine braking effects, because they unsettle the bike at high speed under heavy braking. You'll notice that this has particularly changed the face of World Superbike racing. Partly because of this effort, they can brake WAY deeper into a turn than previously possible. They leave braking to the brakes and downshift to get the right gear for the drive off the apex. Corner speeds are way up, unsettling rear wheel hop way down, stability into and mid-turn way up.
 
well mine was an '05, but im not sure of the technical data. im also not keen on the mechanics of motorcycles (know some things) so i wasn't aware of the slipper clutch or hole between the cylinders.

all i know is, in pertaining to this thread, that i used a whole lot of engine braking with my bike. probably because i was too nervous after hearing horror stories of the back wheel locking up (or god forbid have the front lock up somehow) and i ended up using the engine more than the brakes.
 
don't know what you're talking about, but my gixxer 600 easily pushed me forward in my seat when i blipped the throttle up and dropped gears in high rpms. all those rpms with the throttle plate closed really forces the rpms (and therefore speed) to drop rapidly

I locked the rear tire on my RF600 engine braking numerous times... most of them I was pretty heavy on the front brake too though, and it was always controlled, a partial skid if you will. I RARELY used my foot brake.

to your other point... people who unilaterally do not engine brake.... should just drive automatics, as they don't understand what they are doing fully. situations require alteration to your driving, exactly like you said, and driving a manual allows me to adapt to that more fully. thats half the reason I have one to begin with.
 
Please don't follow behind me too close driving like that. The immediately foreseeable outcome is the loss of braking due to overheating.

Wow, it appears that some people on these boards have little driving experience. Driving that way is bad enough, then to admit it publicly…

At least keep the driveline engaged in the gear you were in until your speed is reduced. It’s about being safe and in some instances driving in neutral also illegal.

I'm talking about normal street driving, for anything above 3rd gear, I keep the driveline engaged until I am below 30 mph (IE coming off the highway I'll go from 6th down to 4th as I'm slowing down) but I don't engine brake after that, I'm not going very fast at that point and I don't need everyone to know how loud my exhaust is. As for the brakes overheating, you really don't know what you're talking about. I don't know where that is coming from, unless you envision every ms3 driver drives like a retard racing inbetween every stop sign and stoplight and not keeping it in gear when they are slowing down.
 
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I'm talking about normal street driving, for anything above 3rd gear, I keep the driveline engaged until I am below 30 mph (IE coming off the highway I'll go from 6th down to 4th as I'm slowing down) but I don't engine brake after that, I'm not going very fast at that point and I don't need everyone to know how loud my exhaust is. As for the brakes overheating, you really don't know what you're talking about. I don't know where that is coming from, unless you envision every ms3 driver drives like a retard racing inbetween every stop sign and stoplight and not keeping it in gear when they are slowing down.

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well mine was an '05, but im not sure of the technical data. im also not keen on the mechanics of motorcycles (know some things) so i wasn't aware of the slipper clutch or hole between the cylinders.

all i know is, in pertaining to this thread, that i used a whole lot of engine braking with my bike. probably because i was too nervous after hearing horror stories of the back wheel locking up (or god forbid have the front lock up somehow) and i ended up using the engine more than the brakes.

Honestly, that approach is suicidal. One of the great strengths of a bike is braking, given the light weight and powerful systems. Learn to use them right and they'll save your life. Engine braking is no subsitute for knowing what your doing with the real brakes. Go out to a deserted parking lot and practise heavy braking, working up slowly. I have been riding for decades and I still get out there and practise avoidance maneuvers and braking, especially before I set out after a winter's rest. Trust me, to lock up a front brake on most sport bikes you have to be a meat-fisted moron, their feedback is that good. Locking up the rear in a straight line on a sportbike is also unlikely, because sportbike brake setups don't give you alot of rear brake anyway. Even if you do, in a straight line, all you'll do is drag the wheel a bit.

I ride a Gixxer, too, an 07 1000.
 
hey Ajburr where do you live so i can put my mind at ease?


btw did you engine brake during the break in process? if not your gonna be burning oil later on....
 
Honestly, that approach is suicidal. One of the great strengths of a bike is braking, given the light weight and powerful systems. Learn to use them right and they'll save your life. Engine braking is no subsitute for knowing what your doing with the real brakes. Go out to a deserted parking lot and practise heavy braking, working up slowly. I have been riding for decades and I still get out there and practise avoidance maneuvers and braking, especially before I set out after a winter's rest. Trust me, to lock up a front brake on most sport bikes you have to be a meat-fisted moron, their feedback is that good. Locking up the rear in a straight line on a sportbike is also unlikely, because sportbike brake setups don't give you alot of rear brake anyway. Even if you do, in a straight line, all you'll do is drag the wheel a bit.

I ride a Gixxer, too, an 07 1000.

Straying from topic a bit here, but... seeing as this topic seems to have been fully discussed with no consensus what so ever... I don't care.
maybe its because mine wasn't a "full" sport bike, but i disagree with this. it wasn't difficult for me to lock the rear brake, thats half the reason I didn't use it. if I was moderately braking with the front there was enough weight transfer that the rear would lock relatively easily. strait line, you'll drag it, if you're turning and you lock it, you're either a professional rider, or you're likely going down.
 
How far off topic can we get?

I dont remember the last time I used the rear brake on my bike, 07 SV1000. Front brakes only. I can lock up the rear far to easy. The front brake does all the work and why wouldnt it? 16 inch dual calipers....
 
I'm glad we cleared that up

hey Ajburr where do you live so i can put my mind at ease?

My thought exactly (nailbyt)

I never engine brake, I don't see the point in that. I'll generally float it in neutral and use the brakes if I'm coming up to a light or something,

(huh) You never engine brake, but...

I'm talking about normal street driving, for anything above 3rd gear, I keep the driveline engaged until I am below 30 mph (IE coming off the highway I'll go from 6th down to 4th as I'm slowing down) but I don't engine brake after that, I'm not going very fast at that point

You do? I hope you can understand my confusion. (lol)

As for the brakes overheating, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Now that is funny. I'm very glad you've yet to experience brake fade, but drive like you advocated in the first post and you soon will. As you gain driving experience, you will come to understand that I do know a thing or two.

In the mean time be careful what you post, someone may mistake it for sound advice. (wedge)
 
I try to use the front and rear brakes evenly on my bike so they wear evenly, but I tend to ride the rear brake more at slower speeds and the front at higher speeds. It's a honda 230 enduro.

I have locked up the rear brake a few times during practiced (or unpracticed) panic stops. It just sort of swings around on a pivot behind me while the front generally doesnt lock up. Its funny how your body acts like an automatic leveling and stability control device on a bike.

As for the topic itself, I usually only engine brake in the higher gears then at slower speeds its really not worth the effort considering the negligable braking effort required. However, I do it hardcore on my bike because its so easy. Sequential shifting is so much easier, and the clutch throws are so quick on a bike. Driving a car after seems so laborous, even though I love to row my own still.
 
I was responding to the OP in reguards to engine braking while he's coming to a stop, like 3rd and 2nd gear engine braking. I should have clarified, I (do) engine brake when coming off the highway or coming down from highway speeds, generally I use 4th gear though and keep it engaged until I'm below 30, but I do not row the gears everytime I come to a stop. And yes I've experienced brake fade before, but not in this car, and not during daily driving. I've done a plenty of hard braking on the track, I know the limits of my brakes. I'm at 28k miles now, my pads are fine, my rotors aren't warped. I do appreciate you chiming in and telling me I don't know how to drive though, but I think I'm ok.
 
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again where do you live, just because you drive on a track does not make you a good/safe driver....i go to the track often and know plenty of guys that go and drive like lunatics on the street
 
Stay far away from Minnesota then.

And no I do not drive like a lunatic, I baby her.
 
off topic yet again...but i feel that some of the posts after mine require some more response:

i was well aware of my gixxer's brakes and how good they were...lessons were learned from mistakes, and that goes for engine braking too. by accident i was coming into a gas station, thought i had put it in neutral, and ended up releasing the clutch quickly (like one might when going into neutral) and as i turned the rpms flew up and my rear tire skidded away from me a little cuz it had actually gone into 1st. freaked me out someting awful.

i had also experience a slight bit of endo during a somewhat emergency braking. only reason i knew the rear wheel had come up is when i came to a stop and slammed it down, also not cool for me.

i was mostly an overly safe motorcycle rider. and during my crazy instances, they were mainly just straight line speeding on extremely open roads with no one around. i was too nervous to do knee dragging on public roads because i never wanted to hit a patch of gravel or debris

but having said this, i was also to stay in the "haven't wrecked yet" category during my 3 years as a rider, and promptly sold the bike which helped as a down payment towards the ms3.

and in keeping with a little bit of this thread, i carried over a few things after experiencing a bike towards the ms3 to included things like engine braking. and really it all comes down to situations dictating whether or not to use engine braking...it's not all the time and it's not never
 

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