Different type of Intercooler?

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Notorious_V.I.C

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2003.5 MSP
Has any one thought of using

Air to Liquid intercoolers offer compactness without sacrificing performance. These units use an external water pump that circulates water through a separate heat exchanger and a separate reservoir. In street applications, air to liquid intercoolers prevent heat soak to the core during stop and go driving by circulating water through the core when the vehicle is not in motion. In race applications where ice water is utilized, air to liquid offers performance beyond air to air units.






there is also a Water Injection System
Its might keep the IC cooler though
http://www.racetep.com/turboneticframe.html (very bottom of the page)
 
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I've heard Co2 works better but is more expensive to fill up depending in the area u live in and how much a place would charge. if i were to do that i would use ice water
 
Notorious_V.I.C said:
I've heard Co2 works better but is more expensive to fill up depending in the area u live in and how much a place would charge. if i were to do that i would use ice water
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yeah there are benefits to both - well just have to weigh them when that time comes-
 
Heres th info on the intercooler

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</TD></TR><!---end top header---><!---Start Content Area---><TR><TD colSpan=2><TABLE cellSpacing=5 cellPadding=2 width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Spearco now offers basic air/liquid intercooler cores that can be combined in a large variety of ways to suit intercooler needs on Roots or Centrifical superchargers and turbochargers.

Air/Liquid intercoolers operate by pumping cooled water through the cores either from a front-mounted radiator ot heat exchanger or chilled water produced by circulating the liquid through a container filled with ice, as used in drag racing. Depending on the engine size and heat load, we recommend a container that will hold a minimum of 12 pounds of ice. If a front radiator is used, this should be as a large as possible since the temperature of the liquid entering the intercooler determines the cooling effectiveness. We recommend a radiator as used on small automobiles with a minimum surface area of at least 260 sq. inches. Radiator technology is perferable rather than oil cooler technology as these are specifically designed to cool water/glycol. When these intercoolers are used with chilled water, it is possible, in some cases, to get charge temperatures below ambient temperature, therefore remarkable increases in air density and power are possible. </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top width=586><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=586 bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle bgColor=#336699 colSpan=3>Spearco Universal Air/Liquid Intercoolers</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle width="30%" bgColor=#4e4e4e>Core Only Part No.</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle width="50%" bgColor=#4e4e4e>Core Size (Inches)</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle width="20%" bgColor=#4e4e4e>Core Assembly</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-170</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>4.5"D x 10.125"W x 9"H</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-230</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-171</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>4.5"D x 10.125"W x 4.5"H</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-231</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-200</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>3.65"D x 6"W x 3.5"H</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-252</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-201</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>3.65"D x 6"W x 7"H</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-264</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-202</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>6"D x 12"W x 13.51"H</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-281</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-206</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2.25"D x 4.65"W x 7"H</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-265</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-213</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>3"D x 4.25"W x 8.63"H</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-270</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-214</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>6"D x 4.25"W x 8.63"H</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-271</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-215</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>4.5"D x 4.65"W x 7"H</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-269</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-219</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>12"D x 12"W x 13.51"H</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2-280</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Performance rate calculated with 30 psi boost, 400 inlet temperature and 100 or 45 cooling liquid. When used at lower boost levels, temperature reduction will be less. <TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=586 bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle width="20%" bgColor=#336699>Part No.</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle width="20%" bgColor=#336699>Cooling Liquid F</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle width="20%" bgColor=#336699>CFM</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle width="20%" bgColor=#336699>Temp Out F</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle width="20%" bgColor=#336699>Pressure Drop</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef rowSpan=6>2-230</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>45</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>700</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>81</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.18</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>45</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>1100</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>111</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.37</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>45</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>1500</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>137</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.70</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>110</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>700</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>137</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.18</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>110</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>1100</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>161</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.37</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>110</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>1500</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>182</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.70</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab rowSpan=4>2-231</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>45</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>450</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>116</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>.05</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>45</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>700</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>148</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>.10</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>110</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>450</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>165</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>.05</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>110</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>700</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>191</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ababab>.10</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef rowSpan=6>2-261</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>45</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>1400</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>81</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.18</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>45</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2200</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>111</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.37</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>45</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>3000</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>161</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.70</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>110</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>1400</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>137</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.18</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>110</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>2200</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>161</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.37</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>110</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>3000</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>182</TD><TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#efefef>.70</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#336699 colSpan=5>
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Notorious_V.I.C - one thing that's often looked over about A->W I/C units is that you will still have to have some sort of radiator to provide dissapation of the heat that the water/liquid will pick-up. If you factor in all the various other parts that is necessary for a A->W set-up it quickly becomes a dissadvantage. (cost, weight, complexity, wiring etc)
 
I see, you guys and gals at IOn are pretty smart about this stuff. Oh i was just wondering i know you have made a FMIC, i wanted to know is there a possiblity of ION making a SMIC that can use the stock pipes.I've heard nothin but positive stuff about u guys, thats good
 
Notorious_V.I.C<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_904323", true); </SCRIPT> - at this point in time, there are no intentions on making a SMIC. The cost of doing so will be quite close to the to that of our FMIC the only differences is less material costs, but in terms of labor, it'll still require welding end tanks etc.
 
Come on Vic, you have seen my ION FMIC... save your pennies and get it :D
 
i use a Spearco core with a custom fabbed housing in my svt heres a pic of before and after I powdercoated it. The dyno on a svt showed 17hp gain by putting ice in the resovoir tank. I like the unit it is completely custom fabbed. check it out:
before powdercoating:
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after powdercoating:
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I dunno, I'm finishng it up tonight, forged goodies in the engine and rebuilt heads. I used to use a Vortech which put out 280fwhp and 217fwtq. Now i'm using a t-28 turbo that should put out around 280fwhp and 280fwtq so we'll see in about 500 miles after the break in period is done.
 
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Notorious_V.I.C - one thing that's often looked over about A->W I/C units is that you will still have to have some sort of radiator to provide dissapation of the heat that the water/liquid will pick-up. If you factor in all the various other parts that is necessary for a A->W set-up it quickly becomes a dissadvantage. (cost, weight, complexity, wiring etc)
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I disagree with this statement completely, what you say is false and I will show my setup when completed we are still fabricating it. Cost will be the same if not less then ION's, wieght will be less, complexity will be more, wiring???
 
I agree with orangezoom, the only wiring is to the pump. and the heat exchanger is about 8" long and 5" wide, that fits much easier in the front of a car than a front mount. Not to mention you get to mount a cool looking fuel cell somewhere for the water. The total weight of everything: water lines, pump, IC, heatexchanger, and tank is probably under ten pounds plus 1-3 gallons of water. So total weight is not going to affect performance in the slightest.
 
Horse said:
I have been trying to get one of these fabbed for myself and another friend with an SRT-4

But we havnt decided if we want to use water or CO2
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I'm looking into a bag of dry ice in the tank with the water. May be a stupid idea but its worth a look see.
 
if you do that, and the bag ruptures in the slightest, then your tank goes boom and so does your car.
 
Originally Posted by orangezoom

I disagree with this statement completely, what you say is false and I will show my setup when completed we are still fabricating it. Cost will be the same if not less then ION's, wieght will be less, complexity will be more, wiring???
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Interesting, I liked to hear how it comes out once ur done, and maybe some pics?...
 
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orangezoom - With the parts associated with a A->W set-up, you require the actual A->W I/C, all the fittings & hoses to and from the I/C to the heat exchanger, and I/C to coolant sump/tank, you'll also need a primary pump capable of withstanding many duty cycles, secondary coolant sump/tank pump, hoses to the heat exchanger, wiring from the battery to the 2 pumps, a proper autoswitch circuit that has a MAP sensor to activate the pumps along with a timer or temperature sensor to de-activate the pumps. For each liter of water you have in the system, that's and addition 1kg/L or 8.5lbs/gallon (US gallon).
 
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