Competition from the Dodge Journey

[antlind]

Seems like Dodge is getting into the mini-mini-van market.
Nice looking competitor.....

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-carCompare0710.html

 

[starlightmica]

If you look at the entry for the Mazda5, it's got an interior picture for the 2008. Very tiny, however. Article also gives the 08 EPA rating as 22/28.

 

[antlind]

From the numbers you can tell that the Kia is already outselling the Mazda5.
I also thought the hp numbers for the Mazda5 was 157, I see they rate the 2008 as 153hp.
Anthony

 

[2cam16]

I just don't get why competitors like the swing-out rear doors ?
Sliding doors FTW for me.

 

[slvrsleeper]

Its interesting to me to see the 5 listed as a "player" in the segment when the sales figures show otherwise. The relationship with Hyundai and Mitsubishi shows in their use of a 2.7 liter V6 as the engine of choice. Hopefully for them it has nothing to do with the Hyundai "Delta" series architecture, that engine is a stinker in many respects. Mazda really needs to build a speed5 to give all these other "others" some competition.

 

[J-protege]

We don't need a speed5, we have the CX-7. There's a power suv!

 

[coolmazda5]

We don't need a speed5, we have the CX-7. There's a power suv!

I think that is problem No. 1 for the Mazda5, there is no category for it in NA. CX-7 is an SUV and the Mazda5 is not (and does not pretend to be, yet everybody here makes it compete with Minivans, SUVs and Crossovers as there are no other choices )

 

[HotRodSaint]

We don't need a speed5, we have the CX-7. There's a power suv!

The CX-7 is 400lbs heavier than the Mazda5. Which makes it 600lbs heavier than a MS3.

And the CX-7 is also down 20hp compared to the MS3. And it's not available in a manual transmission (although the 6speed AT would be cool for some people).

But here is where you inadvertantly make a point. Dropping the MS3 engine into a MZ5 would make it out perform a CX-7 at a lower price point.

 

[jersey_emt]

Seems like Dodge is getting into the mini-mini-van market.
Nice looking competitor.....

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-carCompare0710.html

Those seats look very uncomfortable.

 

[mountjonas]

that dashboard looks cheap.

 

[kyoshiro]

its a dodge, its inferior

 

[raspykart]

gas mileage is horrid, EPA should fix ours too tho. Should be more like 24/30

 

[jandree22]

I just don't get why competitors like the swing-out rear doors ?
Sliding doors FTW for me.

+1

gas mileage is horrid, EPA should fix ours too tho. Should be more like 24/30

Agreed. I can get over 30mpg in mixed driving without breaking a sweat.

 

[P_bouchr]

IMO anything from Dodge is no competition to Mazda lol... It looks too... well Dodge.

 

[07MZ5SA]

I just don't get why competitors like the swing-out rear doors ?

Hinged: Handle side impact better thus better seat width (less buffer zone) . Less electrical/mechanical problem. Better 3rd row access.

Sliding: Space efficient. Better 2nd row access. Possible power opener/closer. Less parking lot rage. ;-)

 

[07MZ5SA]

Seems like Dodge is getting into the mini-mini-van market.
Nice looking competitor.....

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-carCompare0710.html

I don't see Dodge Journey as a competitor. There's a difference between crossover and space wagon even though both have 3rd row.

Looks like there's no headroom in 3rd row.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-dodge-journey-1/368236/

 

[barryWest]

Thought I would revive this thread with the latest review of the 'competition':

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/bm/09journey.htm

 

[pick41]

Not a fan of Dodge even though I own one. But its a Cummins.

 

[jandree22]

Yeah, I think it's gonna be direct competition. Interior is inferior, but outside styling isn't that bad and performance whoops the 5... power anyway. However, I would never find the need to purchase a Mazdaspeed5, should it ever become available. Performance was low on the list for me looking into a family hauler and contrary to incompetent reviewers, the base 5's power is more than enough.

It will kick ass in sales simply because it's a Dodge and it's got a much more mainstream package than the 5. However, the 5 has a more unique following anyway, so I'm not sure that just because the Journey is a success will translate into the 5 being a failure.

<-- Still satisfied he got a Mazda

 

[coolmazda5]

It is an SUV (to me, let me clarify before we get into another classification dilemma , that is a no-no, but not bad stuff.

Downs:

• 4 cyl gets 173Hp but 4AT :-(
• SUV
• No Manual Tranny

Ups:

• city 11 liters/100 km equals 21.38 miles per gallon (US)
• highway 8 liters/100 km equals 29.40 miles per gallon (US)
• R/T, me likes that
• Price

Maybe more of a Rondo competitor? The only good thing is: If Rondo comes with the SX and this one with the R/T chances of a MazdaSPEED5 are more likely (like 2.13428%). Downside, I have no money for a MazdaSPEED5, and wife will laugh if I wanna trade