AWR Headers Dyno [Equinox]

[Equinox]

Dyno: AWR Header [Equinox]

I had these dynos for a while now, and you can tell by the horrible horrible condition of the dyno sheets, lol I'm sorry guys.

I didn't have a scanner at the time so I didn't think anyone was gonna see them, so I didn't take care of the sheets. But either way, my mods are listed at the top of the dyno sheet. I kept the image very large so you could see everything.

Something of note as well, when I got both these dynos my rear motor mount was broken (I didn't know) so you can see the dyno curve hops up and down and up and down between almost every 100rpm span. Makes for a horrible curve, but does not affect the peak numbers. This is not a result of any of my mods, just something I needed to fix - and since have, with AWR motor mounts, these are very old dynos tho, so please forgive me =P

Summary of Dyno 01
Engine Mod Summary: Injen CAI, HKS Exhaust, 2 1/4" cat-back, Fidanza Flywheel, Clutchmaster Stage I Clutch
3rd Gear peaks: 105.6whp 112.8wtq
4th Gear peaks: 106.9whp 115.7wtq
Dyno Chart 01

Summary of Dyno 02
Engine Mod summary: All of above + AWR Header (secondary cat still on car)
3rd Gear peaks: 116.7whp 123.1wtq
4th Gear peaks: 117.3whp 122.1wtq
Dyno Chart 02

Overall Gains Summary:
3rd Gear peak gains: +11.1whp +10.3wtq
4th Gear peak gains: +10.4whp +6.4wtq


feel free to double check my second grade addition.

[EDIT]
Cleaner recharted Dynos done in Microsoft Works:
3rd Gear Dyno Charted Curves
4th Gear Dyno Charted Curves

Bought mine from Mitch at Protege5Online.com, thanks Mitch!

 

[ATLskate]

Good job posting these results> So i guess you've decided against going turbo?

 

[Equinox]

Good job posting these results> So i guess you've decided against going turbo?

I decided that a while back, when I never really saw any N/A proteges setting any kind of example =P Not that I'm any better than anyone.

I'm gonna try to break 150whp without nitrous, and then round off 200whp with a 50shot, to show turbo isn't the only answer.

Our cars don't respond well to gains until you get rid of teh exhaust manifold with built in cat. ie. Get a header

 

[ATLskate]

Our cars don't respond well to gains until you get rid of teh exhaust manifold with built in cat. ie. Get a header

Obviously, according to your dyno.

 

[Darin]

WHy are your plots so ****** up-looking? I'd say that based on how IMPOSSIBLE Those are to read (What's with the big Ups and Downs????) It's inconclusive evidence at best.

have them use 'smoothing' on their viewer next time? I dunno..

 

[Darin]

I decided that a while back, when I never really saw any N/A proteges setting any kind of example =P Not that I'm any better than anyone.

I'm gonna try to break 150whp without nitrous, and then round off 200whp with a 50shot, to show turbo isn't the only answer.

Our cars don't respond well to gains until you get rid of teh exhaust manifold with built in cat. ie. Get a header

The only answer for what? It IS the 'only answer' if you want repeatable performance. (shrug).

 

[Doodsmack]

Re: Dyno: AWR Header [Equinox]

Darin...

Something of note as well, when I got both these dynos my rear motor mount was broken (I didn't know) so you can see the dyno curve hops up and down and up and down between almost every 100rpm span.

 

[Equinox]

Darin as mentioned in my first post, the big ups and downs on the curves are because of the broken rear and front motor mount on my car at the time of the dyno. Yeah the front was torn too, I didn't mention that

I can see you have some doubts at the protege having any power in an naturally aspirated form, and I don't blame you. I just want to do it cause I really haven't seen it done before, and so far I feel it is a success, seeing as I started at 98whp. The bottlenecks of the protege engine are at the exhaust manifold, what with the primary cat "barrel", and at the engine heads. I plan to soon port out my engine heads, and see the results there.

The dyno scans are not there to actually read the curve, it is just to credit my findings of the peak gains given with the AWR header. I stated when I first pulled these dynos on the gains I found, but a lot of people wanted some form of proof, which I did not have the ability to show until now.

Oh, also, thank you Doodsmack

 

[uclap5]

nice gains.

time for some cams, yes?

ah darin, always the N/a skeptic.

 

[Equinox]

nice gains.

time for some cams, yes?

ah darin, always the N/a skeptic.

Yeah but I think I am going to make my own, and only after I port my heads and fabricate a new intake manifold, that way I can lobe the cams more aggresively. Luckily Mitch at Protege5online.com sells blank billet cams =)

 

[kurt]

Thanks for posting your dyno stuff. (2thumbs)

 

[acidbug]

I decided that a while back, when I never really saw any N/A proteges setting any kind of example =P Not that I'm any better than anyone.

I'm gonna try to break 150whp without nitrous, and then round off 200whp with a 50shot, to show turbo isn't the only answer.

Our cars don't respond well to gains until you get rid of teh exhaust manifold with built in cat. ie. Get a header

Those are some good dyno #'s especailly b/c you have a cat in place!! Is it the stock cat? Or a High flow cat?

Here's a pic of the header i just purchased! I figure i should be getting close #'s as yourself..this header i just ordered is a 4-2-1 design...

Well...w/ getting 150whp without nitrous is going to be very difficult!!

I figure:
stock p5=130hp
mp3 ecu=10hp
intake (w/ custom ram air kit) & exhuast=7hp
header=15hp
that will put me into the 170hp...at the crank...
w/ a 50shot of nitrous...over the 200hp at the crank...
about 180whp...

I figure if ya wanna get to the 200hp w/ nitrous you will need a 75shot!!

Keep us up to date...

Chas

 

[Equinox]

that's with my stock second cat with it's tiny piping still in place between header and 2.25 pipe after it.

I see it this way.

I have 126whp now, and with headwork I should easily gain 25 to 30whp, so, there you have it.

Another 10whp with custom intake manifold
AGGRESIVE cams 10whp
that's 170+ whp right there
I'd rather not go the MP3 ECU route as increased timing interfere's with my nitrous,

I can then, without that ECU shoot 50-75 very safely using a wet kit.
220-245 whp, why is that hard? =)

I wouldn't doubt the ability to get 200whp without nitrous using advanced timing, and high compression pistons. I'm lucky though to have 93 octane fuel at my disposal here in Texas.

Also, the mp3 got 10hp more at the crank because of the ECU, exhaust, and lack of the variable turbulence control system in the intake manifold.

 

[acidbug]

that's with my stock second cat with it's tiny piping still in place between header and 2.25 pipe after it.

I see it this way.

I have 126whp now, and with headwork I should easily gain 25 to 30whp, so, there you have it.

Another 10whp with custom intake manifold
AGGRESIVE cams 10whp
that's 170+ whp right there
I'd rather not go the MP3 ECU route as increased timing interfere's with my nitrous,

I can then, without that ECU shoot 50-75 very safely using a wet kit.
220-245 whp, why is that hard? =)

I wouldn't doubt the ability to get 200whp without nitrous using advanced timing, and high compression pistons. I'm lucky though to have 93 octane fuel at my disposal here in Texas.

Also, the mp3 got 10hp more at the crank because of the ECU, exhaust, and lack of the variable turbulence control system in the intake manifold.

I am not sure that head work will net you such high numbers..i think maybe 15hp!!

Oh yeah..agressive cams adjust timing...no???

I get 94 at the pump by me for 1.95usd per gallon!!

chas

 

[p5sundevil]

lol, this is close to what I want to do but I want to hit 150-170whp and then think about a spool stage1kit with custom intercooler and some little things.

I think you are right about your goals but it is going to take more than what you listed to hit 170whp IMO. Obviously by my "IMO" anything anyone says right now about potential hp for the N/A route is opinion and nothing else since the only other engines doing that are race fabbed.

So intake and exhaust(although I would do 2.5")
header
mid-hi flo second cat(mid flow for a little backpressure and some low end power retention)
port and polish heads
custom cams
flywheel
pistons?
ecu for timing? E6K E6X?
Jspec intake manifold or better
maybe pulleys and some little things to smooth it all out like wires(spark and ground) plugs and other samall things.

Then it is doable.

Tehan again I have heard soem engines just have a maximum potential in that no matter what you do(short of a stroker kit) it cant go past xxhp N/A...dont know about these engines as I have only had my car for 6-8 months.

anyway my GOALS are to hit 150-165whp N/A and with a spool stage one(if I have the money t3/t4 turbo and FMIC) I should be able to hit say 220whp?

That is plenty for me, I enjoy long winding roads with nice turns and bends as opposed to straight down the line 300+whp apps. Although if I had 8grand.....lol

 

[Equinox]

well, we will all see =)

 

[1FASTMP5]

i dont understaind your dyno says you have 117 whp.
your saying that you have 126 whp now, have you done anything since the dyno to bring you up to 126whp?

 

[Dimitrios]

AWR header keep the 1st cat or not? I want to go with a header but wish to retain emmissions as it is....

 

[Darin]

My thoughts:

Peak gains mean DICK. Would it be awesome if you gained 15whp from headers, at 5500 rpms, but you were DOWN 20whp from 2000-5500 rpms? The Curves mean EVERYTHING.

I'd wager you'd see dyno gains if you fixed your motor mounts.

I am NOT an N/A Skeptic - I'm a realist. N2O won't give you repeatible gains because eventually, you'll run out of 'Juice' - and N2O Is NOT 'Naturally Aspirated' Injesting that much Oxygen into your motor is NOT a natural occurance.

Enter Dead Horse Beating:

150whp N/A is possible from the FS motor. It WILL be expensive. I'd guess 160whp N/A is possible - some Miatas w/ the 1.8 are up over 190whp, N/A. Nevermind the Thousands and Thousands of dollars put into them.

I'm just screaming that we should approach our goals with cautious optimism. Remember, if a Header adds 5hp, and a CAI ads 7, by themselves, TOGETHER they may add only a total of 10hp to your engine. Or maybe 15. How components work together is of paramount importance.

 

[Kooldino]

You know, if you just fitted a test pipe in place of the primary cat, you'd probably see gains that are almost as nice as the header.