Average build price?

[tweety2300]

Just wondering what the average rebuild price is for the fsde. If everything goes as planned we will be getting a new car this fall and I would like to build the protege with whatever I can get for my 323 (3k ish) IF I do it itl get all new bearings k1 rods and Weisco pistons and a head rebuild. Any idea on what machining costs would be? This is just a what if for now as the 323 is growing on me but power and parts are very limited

 

[jeffmsp]

well for a built protege you are also going to need larger injectors and a way to control them. then a wideband o2 to actually tune the engine. keep that in mind as it can cost more than the rods/pistons depending on what ems you use.

 

[tweety2300]

I was planing on 10-12 psi on msp setup msp ecu and ssafc. Nothing huge for power maybe 240-260 just want a reliable car with some get up and go.

 

[highflyin285]

I dropped 8 grand on my full build

 

[blackwolf1778]

im confused.. new is nice but why spend the money to build a motor if your going to run <250hp and only 12psi.. your can make 225 - 240 with a manual boost controller, wide band, SS-AFC, front mount, hard pipes, your looking at 700ish for that if your only looking to make 10psi.. SAFELY!

 

[destineal]

Because nothing is safe on a stock block

 

[tweety2300]

im confused.. new is nice but why spend the money to build a motor if your going to run <250hp and only 12psi.. your can make 225 - 240 with a manual boost controller, wide band, SS-AFC, front mount, hard pipes, your looking at 700ish for that if your only looking to make 10psi.. SAFELY!

Because I have an mp3 so I would still need all the turbo stuff and it's been neglected pretty bad by previous owners. I wouldn't give it more than a month on 10psi as it sits right now. It really needs to be rebuilt if we plan on keeping it for a few more years. And if I can have my way with it then I would like to build and turbo it but I was simply asking for a price guesstimate

 

[mazdaspeedp]

10g+ for a good build.

 

[Knox Joe]

I make your goal whp with no forged motor, but honestly it hasn't been cheap.

You could do it with int, 3" TB exh, fmic, ssafc, and a mbc set to 10psi. Now to do it safe I have added an AWR oil pan, straight meth. inj, and a J&S safeguard. I also run a full stand-alone, but you could get 225ish whp or so without it.

 

[tweety2300]

The main goal is to be able to drive it every day without blowing it up. I'm not a granny driver by any means either which is why I want to forge it

 

[jdwk]

The tuning is more important than anything. Then cooling. Especially the tuning when the cooling starts to get overwhelmed.

It's actually amazing that the stock block holds the stock 7-8psi for well over 100k miles when you see how poorly the stock PCM handles fuel and spark.

My gut feeling is with a properly tuned full standalone, bigger radiator and intercooler, 2.5" or larger downpipe to muffler, you should be able to get 225 to the wheels safely on this engine for a long long time, which coincidentally, is exactly where the stock injectors are maxed out.

Now if the engine is already neglected, all bets are off.

 

[SCMP3]

I'm about to were I think I can crank it up to 10psi with a good tune.....picking up a greddy ebc in 2 weeks.

 

[super1chow]

Check my sig, I made 192whp and 192 torque with those mods @8 psi and no tuning at all, stock msp ecu.

 

[SCMP3]

I made 189hp with my mods.

 

[tweety2300]

I wouldn't have a problem throwing a turbo on it if I thought the motor could handle it as is...

 

[Knox Joe]

I wouldn't have a problem throwing a turbo on it if I thought the motor could handle it as is...

I make your goal whp with no forged motor, but honestly it hasn't been cheap.

Not cheap, but still cheaper than building a motor since some of my bolt ons are necessary for your target horsepower. 241whp, 268lb/ft on the stock motor. The only things you need to buy to make it safe with the stock motor is an AWR pan (approx. $300), and a J&S Safeguard (approx. $500). That's a hell of a lot cheaper than a forged motor build.

I don't think you're taking into account all the "odds and ends" involved with building a motor properly. If you were, you'd realize 800 is a much lower number.

 

[tweety2300]

Rods and pistons are about $900 valve seals and shims around $400 msp turbo setup $600-$1000 ecu reflash $150. The rest would be for machine work

 

[Twinrotor]

I have about 7k in mine so far, but that is getting some buddy deals on the machine work. Most everything is just parts, but I had to buy everything.

 

[Knox Joe]

You can try and convince yourself all you want, but you're looking at a hefty bill to build that motor.

 

[Preferio]

You can try and convince yourself all you want, but you're looking at a hefty bill to build that motor.

I've estimated my cost of about $1,500. Approximately $850 for rods/pistons, $250 for gaskets, $150 for machining, and the rest would be miscellaneous odds and ends...

BTW I blew my replacement motor. spiked to 17psi.