AUTO lock & unlockon handbrake

zul114

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Protege 5, 2003
I was looking around in my car for a couple of weeks. I was curious what would make a great auto open and lock for a manual, just like the automatics when you place them in park they auto lock or unlock

Would wiring the lock and unlock to the e-brake work since it is wired to the dash electronics for the e-brake light?

I thought would work since I always put my e-brake up to park?

Can anyone help me out?
 
that would probably just piss you off since you pull the hand brake before you open your door to get out...
unless im thinking backwards and you are one of those people that likes to drive with the doors locked (yupnope)
 
pulling the e-brake would unlock the doors.

putting the e-brake down would lock them.
 
I know my car doesn't lock or unlock in relation to putting the car in park.

But let me get it clear what you want:

Condition:
Parking Brake Up --> Car Doors Unlock (For getting out of the car)

Parking Brake Down --> Car Door Lock (For driving)


This is probably easy.

First locate a signal wire that can lock/unlock all the doors.
The easiest place to find this in relation to the e-brake is probably at the door lock control module. (I will PM you the link)
-or- you can trace the wire running from your door lock button.

To unlock the door, this wire is simply shorted to ground.
To lock the door, this wire is ran through a 1,000 Ohm resistor.

So to make the e-Brake work the door locks, you would use some metal contacts, spring switches, or optical switch.

Part of the ebrake is metal, and probably is grounded, so you can use that as a contact point.

To unlock the doors, simply put a signal contact that the ebrake will hit on it's way DOWN.

To lock the doors, simply put a contact, with a 1K resistor in series, that the ebrake will hit on it's way UP.

Make sure that the contact is momentary, or you will drain your battery.
(As the car would be contantly trying to lock/unlock)

If you can't figure out how to make the contact momentary, you can put a capacitor in line with the contact. (About 50uF or so)
The cap would prevent any large battery drain, and make a toggle contact into a momentary contact.


Get what I am saying yet?

I like the idea, as I drive with the doors locked.
I would probably wire a timer for myself so that the doors lock 30 seconds after I put down the brake.
Or mabye I could wire a switch so the doors lock when I press on the gas to a certain point. That way the doors lock when I am moving, rather then locking when I am getting ready to drive, and my wife may not be in the car yet.
 
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couple things, but first i got what ya saying but i am sort of confused, i am not that good as you, I will tell ya that but I know my way around it.

Is there a way you might be able to draw that up for me

Second could I wire that to the same thing as the light that goes on when the e-brake it up?

Third, I love the idea of putting a timer on the e-brake for 30 seconds how would we do that?

Thanks for all your help
 
Yes, there is probably a way to use the eBrake light...
let me look at the schematics...

Looking at Page 2 of 09-22
There is a "Parking Brake Switch" on "1N" on the back of the dash gauges.

This is also a grounded switch, which means we can use it.

So all you should need is a diode and capacitor, at least the unlocking part.

"-->|--" is a diode (2N4001 type)
"--|(--" is a capacitor (1-10uF)

Circuit:
Door Lock Switch Signal ---|(----->|------Parking Brake Switch
With this anytime the parking break light goes on the car will unlock.
Be aware the break fluid sensor is also on this line. This may also activate the unlock.

The switch signal will charge up the cap, through the diode, when the parking brake is pulled. Once the cap is charged, the cap will prevent the signal from passing any longer, making the switch momentary.
The cap will still draw a tiny amount of current all the time, but not enough to drain your battery

To LOCK the doors, it's a bit harder.
As you need it to activate when the light goes from on to off, rather then all the time (When the light is normaly off anyways)
I will have to think about this one.
 
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we don't need to use that, I just thought it might be easier. I could just wire it as something new, if that is easier too...

that way it would be seperate? What so you think?
 
Hmm, the parking brake switch is only single pole, single throw.

Meaning we can't use that single switch to both unlock, and lock the doors.

You could utilize the seatbelt buckle switch to activate the lock command.

So when you pull the parking brake the doors unlock, and you can get out.
When you buckle your seat belt the doors lock.

The circuit for the seatbelt would be the same, except with a 1,000 owm resistor in series also.
 
how would I go about wiring it to unlock what the parking brake & lock with seatbelt?

any steps you could help me with?

thanks
 
is there a switch I can use (maybe SPDT Centre Off) that I could somehow connect to the hand brake which would just use the same connections as the driver-side lock & unlock button...
 
Just order a DEI Pulse Timer Relay, it's a 528T. It'll take a single positive or negative input and let you have a variable timed output trigger from it, again either positive or negative and do the reverse when the trigger is released. This will eliminate everything except the resistor needed to differeniate between lock and unlock.
 
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I did some research that looks like it would work. I took a look at the connection on the e-brake yesterday for the e-brake light, I might be able to make a connection like that.

If I did how would I wire this relay to the lock/unlock switch?
 
To unlock the car the lock signal wire is shorted to ground. (In a pulse)
To lock the car, the lock signal wire is connected to ground through a 1000 ohm resistor.
 
you guys really know your tech stuff, but to be honest with you i am not sure how to go about wiring this DEI relay into the circuit... is there a wiring diagram I could follow or could someone help me out....


thanks for all your time guys. this is a real help, sorry I do not have that much knowledge..
 
The trigger wire will tag in to the already existing line coming from the e-brake and the output wires will both be wired to the door lock trigger wire in the driver's kick panel, with the resistor in line like stated above. Not sure of the colors for both but the e-brake one is self evident and the door lock wire is listed somewhere, or maybe someone else will chime in with it.
 
so i am using the pulse timer...but I have a couple of problems

I find all the wiring to feed of the the unlock/lock switch.. as for the e-brake

The single pole switch always stays on and does not kick off, which makes my switch always keep unlocking.

Is there a way I could mount a double pole off/on switch that the relay could be wired too.

I was looking online but find nothing yet.

ANy help
 
Have you set the duration on the pulse timer? The whole purpuse of it is that you have a variable output of 1-90 seconds on the output from initiation of the input trigger. It shouldn't be staying on once the output timer is set.
 
Well I have wired everything together for unlocking my car through my e-brake. I would like to unlock my car when the e-brake is up (that is DONE) but I want to lock my car when my e-brake is down. For some reason I can't send a pulse to the lock module.

I am using a pulse timer and relay

I have attached a drawing of my wiring. Could you guys take a look at it and tell me what I should do.

Thanks so much

I have posted it here
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83227
 
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