Article comparing CX-7 with Rav4 and Acura RDX

The RDX is no question the best vehicle of those three... the issue for me was price... up here in Canada a 24 month lease for me on a loaded CX-7 with every option is 599 a month, the RDX would have been $1026.. even though the actual selling price of the vehicles is only $3,000 apart.

The CX-7 gets someone within 90% of what the RDX offers for a hell of a lot more value, which to me, makes it probably the better vehicle in reality.
 
tough to see the bias in this article (omg)

what i have found thru reading is that besides this comparison, almost every other major print/internet (Edmunds etc) have found the RDX & 7 to be quite the clones (aside from SH-AWD & interior) mazda breaks better, rides better, and after that i guess it comes down to preference and what u wana do with ur cash lol Either everyone else is way off or Motor trend is the only one spot on.

I drove both cars, many times actually - back to back. its a preference thing. I jsut didnt see the need for SHAWD - and who really needs THAT kinda system, Bose is a better sound system - and to make the RDX attractive with good gadgets their tech pkg is way too overpriced. That was my reasoning. Plus - the Mazda looks x2 better w/o question.
 
koala said:
The RDX is no question the best vehicle of those three...

why? how? the engine is much more noisier (call it what u will with the unsilenced turbo), it rides harsher, the highway ride is not smooth, to me those are all very important practical factors in determining which car is actually better. A very small % of ppl will most likely even have the sh awd kick in - to me thats the only seperator here
 
It's the best of the 3 according to MotorTrend.

It was an interesting article, but I wouldn't have put the Rav 4 into this comparison AT ALL. It doesn't offer a tech package, it has a 3rd row of seats, it's a 6 cylinder rather than a turbo-charged 4, and it handles NOTHING like a sporty car. Yeah, it's faster, but that's where it ends. I wouldn't WANT to be traveling fast in it as I would not feel safe (the handling just isn't there).

The RDX and Mazda seem to have so much in common it would be hard to determine which is "better", especially since some of it is so subjective. I do think the CX-7 is more bang for the buck. I think Acura competing with BMW is funny... and I find it humorous that anyone buying an Acura would actually think it's the same kind of "status" as buying a BMW. Don't get me wrong... I do NOT buy cars for status, and the BMW X3 has some serious reliability issues according to a few sources... I just find it humorous that RDX owners somehow think they'll turn heads JUST because it's an Acura.

I looked at an RDX but did not test-drive it. I thought it was overpriced, and Acura is notoriously unwilling to negotiate. I did not want to have to give things up to keep it affordable. Maybe it does handle better or drive smoother... but I'll never know with the price difference. While I don't agree with Motor Trend, it was impressive enough to me that the CX-7 was a "hard choice" for them when compared to something $6000 more.
 
mikey1981 said:
why? how? the engine is much more noisier (call it what u will with the unsilenced turbo), it rides harsher, the highway ride is not smooth, to me those are all very important practical factors in determining which car is actually better. A very small % of ppl will most likely even have the sh awd kick in - to me thats the only seperator here

There was less turbo lag in the RDX, the seats were significantly more comfortable (I prefer sport seats myself). The navigation in Acura vehicles is quite a bit better than Mazda (and the mazda unit is no slouch). The interior was nicer (subjective), the centre console was more functional, it actually had storage areas to keep your stuff (the cx-7 is really lacking in storage compartments), bluetooth, paddle shifters were more intuitive than traditional sport shift, handling was a lot sharper (which is saying a lot because I think the CX-7 handles great... this coming from a guy who also has an S2000 as my play car)..

The bottom line though is that all of that stuff doesn't add up to me wanting to spend the difference.

I'm not ragging on the CX-7, it's a hell of a car and I don't regret buying one. I'm just giving credit where credit is due, and the RDX is without question a better vehicle when we remove price as a factor.
 
CXRabbit said:
It's the best of the 3 according to MotorTrend.

It was an interesting article, but I wouldn't have put the Rav 4 into this comparison AT ALL. It doesn't offer a tech package, it has a 3rd row of seats, it's a 6 cylinder rather than a turbo-charged 4, and it handles NOTHING like a sporty car. Yeah, it's faster, but that's where it ends. I wouldn't WANT to be traveling fast in it as I would not feel safe (the handling just isn't there).

The RDX and Mazda seem to have so much in common it would be hard to determine which is "better", especially since some of it is so subjective. I do think the CX-7 is more bang for the buck. I think Acura competing with BMW is funny... and I find it humorous that anyone buying an Acura would actually think it's the same kind of "status" as buying a BMW. Don't get me wrong... I do NOT buy cars for status, and the BMW X3 has some serious reliability issues according to a few sources... I just find it humorous that RDX owners somehow think they'll turn heads JUST because it's an Acura.

I looked at an RDX but did not test-drive it. I thought it was overpriced, and Acura is notoriously unwilling to negotiate. I did not want to have to give things up to keep it affordable. Maybe it does handle better or drive smoother... but I'll never know with the price difference. While I don't agree with Motor Trend, it was impressive enough to me that the CX-7 was a "hard choice" for them when compared to something $6000 more.
Now I have not drivin any of these, but I will say this. I think the RDX does turn heads. I saw one for the first time the other day and it was clean as hell. I like the CX7 also but it seems to have really bad mpg. At least that's what I got form this forum. I was looking at getting one but the one I want would be around 30k. While that isn't too bad, it's to much for a mazda IMO. Acura is and has been a luxury car for a long time. Is it worth the money? I don't know, but if I'm looking a spending 30k on a SUV that only get 17-20 mpg I think I'm gona go the Tahoe way. More power more room more towing and my friends Denali (?) get 23 hwy 18 city. And IMO looks better then both.
 
Less turbo lag I couldn't answer since I didn't drive it... but when in Motor Trends own test the CX-7 did better from 0-30, I find the comment about lag interesting. Either way doesn't matter, because honestly, I think it's a non-issue once you're used to either car.

Seats being comfortable are subjective. You found them more comfortable, Motor Trend was undecided about that.

Acura is the nav system that offers live traffic reporting and this is one area I think Mazda COULD have included (even if they made it an additional option). I do have to give props to Acura on this one -- but like you said, the Mazda unit is pretty nice too. I've read that Mazda has one of the biggest screens, but I couldn't track down accurate info on Acura. In one place is said it was 8" (which I'm sure is wrong) and in another it said 6.5". Mazda's is 7".

Interior is subjective, and I found the two very similar honestly. On the Acura with the nav system, I didn't like the screen placement in relation to the vents and controls. I do like that a lot of the systems are also controled with voice commands (with the tech package) - like climate control.

As for storage -- this is one of those areas where every car I looked at I had to play with the storage. I liked the little covered utility box in the doors of the acura... it was unique compared to what everyone else has (at least what I looked at). BUT I LOVE love LOVE the additional cup/water bottle holders in the Mazda doors, which the Acura lacks. When you're a mom picking up food and drinks at the drive-through to bring home, having 3 easily-accessible cup holders (without moving) is VERY handy.

That's why a lot of this stuff becomes subjective, or at least individual to the driver. As an example, Bluetooth is awesome and I use it to transfer things on my cellphone all the time, but I HATE talking on my cellphone (LOL). Hands-free bluetooth is something I'd probably use a handful of times, if that. But someone who does a lot of business on a cellphone would benefit from it a great deal. I wouldn't pay the difference to get that feature alone.

One area I constantly DO complain about with the CX-7 and where I feel Mazda really dropped the ball was their lack of iPod support... ESPECIALLY on the "Tech Package" -- iPod integration should have been a standard part of it, with song display and controls on the screen and controls on the steering wheel. I am holding out hope that the one they are developing for the nav system will be 10 times better than the one available now for cars without, but I don't know how realistic that is :(

Hughes412 said:
Now I have not drivin any of these, but I will say this. I think the RDX does turn heads. I saw one for the first time the other day and it was clean as hell. I like the CX7 also but it seems to have really bad mpg. At least that's what I got form this forum. I was looking at getting one but the one I want would be around 30k. While that isn't too bad, it's to much for a mazda IMO. Acura is and has been a luxury car for a long time. Is it worth the money? I don't know, but if I'm looking a spending 30k on a SUV that only get 17-20 mpg I think I'm gona go the Tahoe way. More power more room more towing and my friends Denali (?) get 23 hwy 18 city. And IMO looks better then both.

Funny, because looking at the RDX forums and there was a lot of griping about MPG over there too. I think break-in is key with turbos, more-so than with non-turbos... and how you drive it will impact MPG more-so as well. As for aesthetics, well again, it's so subjective. The RDX just looks like everything else to me. But I was talking more about the Acura NAME. It doesn't equate to BMW, Infiniti, Porsche, Mercedes -- but some Acura owners seem to think it does. You like the Tahoe and that's a personal opinion... for me, way too big. But I doubt you go out and get a Tahoe because all the neighbors will be impressed.
 
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i read that article; didn't understand the inclidion of the RAV4 myself. if they needed a third, it should have been the X3 or Murano.

my g/f and i are looking at this same choice (CX-7 or RDX) right now. from what i've found so far, the lease numbers aren't that far off. the CX-7 looks more distinctive IMO and drives really well (i haven't driven the RDX yet), but the RDX offers a much lower bumper (and taller interior height) and a true fold-flat rear seat (b/c the bottom cushion folds up). *shrug* it's pretty sharp-looking in dark red, as well.
 
the paddle shifter on the RDX suck - they were smaller than my finger print. In terms of functionality they are too small - especially coming out of a turn -but subjective most likely, one of the biggest turn offs for me on my test drives

Storage, true - the center console is almost as big as the RDX tho.

And i think we may agree on that the difference in cash isnt worth it for the Acura.

Ride - Mazda
Handling - Acura
Breaking - Mazda
Performance - Debatable
Bang for the buck - Mazda 100%

the Acura is no BMW by a longshot.

You just cant remove price as a factor - the cars are identical except one sells for 5k more than another.

The Mazda rides better, smoother, and breaks better. It may not handle as well BUT its ALMOST as good for 5k less w/o SHAWD. 5k and an Almost is a pretty big factor. Add to that a better driving car on the highway and thru the city, plus i mean u cant even compare the Styling category. The RDX has no road presence and if anything besides the A on the grille, i think it looks like a Hundai. I think the new Acuras RDX & MDX have focused WAY too much on the grille and left the rest of the car behind. My uncle just got an MDX 07 and other than the grille it looks like a rolling short bus.
 
dmitrik4 said:
a true fold-flat rear seat (b/c the bottom cushion folds up).

Except that cushion is smashed into the front seats so that eliminates space and comfort, and another few steps in making a flat floor. MAzda is 1 botton done, plus a dbl sided cargo floor
 
that wasn't what i saw. the front seat was OK to sit in w/ the rear cushion folded up. the acura has a doubled-sided floor as well, plus a place to store the cargo cover while the seats are folded. the mazda's remote seat levers are very nice, but the seat only goes "almost" flat, regardless of how many steps are involved. the acura's go "almost" flat in the same 1 step. the difference is the option to go totally flat. how tough would it have been for mazda to add a hinge on the lower cushion?

styling for me is a tossup. the mazda is more distinctive; the acura is more refined. the interior materials (if not the styling) are a step up in the acura as well.

one thing i'm also considering is the acura is probably going to be more reliable. no weird hesitation, no reflashes needed, no niggling little problems that the CX seems to have (at least according to people on this board). to be honest, i would be nervous about buying the Mazda (or almost any car) in its first year; i don't have that reservation w/ the Acura.

bottom line, i think the Mazda is a better "lease" candidate; the Acura is a better "buy" candidate. i'm leaning towards the CX, but the decision (for me, at least) is not a slam dunk. both are sweet vehicles that do what they aim to do very well; both have pluses and minuses.
 
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given Hondas recent screw up with the 07 CRVs, i wouldnt be so quick to assume just cuz its a Acura that it would be a more reliable purchase

but good luck shopping. every car has its small handfulls of problems no matter what the brand is

Most if not every car company has program "flashes" and updates - it just may seem more apparent when u talk with people who actually know whats under their hood, such as with people on this board who are in tune with whats going on.

Im going to be frankly honest, the Mazda is more fun to drive. I cant really define what i mean by fun, but after driving both many times before buying, i dunno it was just a feeling.

And, ive been driving Honda/Acura since i got my first car in 96 (Honda Accord 2 dr). The steering and breaking in a Mazda is so much better than the Acura, u r one with the road lol
 
I'm actually a little confused why you think the RDX would be more reliable. It is also a first-year car, and there's an argument to be made that Mazda has more experience with Turbo engines in the consumer market. Really, when comparing the two, I consider this part of wash.

Is it true that the seat-height is not adjustable on the Acura?? And that there's no rear heat-ducts? According to edmunds, the Acura has neither, but I find that hard to believe...
 
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just based on my experience w/ a new-on-the-market acura product (an '02 RSX-S bought in aug '01 and which had zero problems) vs. my experience w/ my '02 protege bought new in Sept '02 (which was not new on the market in '02, but still had several issues) and what i've read here about others' experience w/ 2.3L turbo-equipped mazda vehicles.

i referred only to my own subjective comfort level and expectations, not hard data.
 
I personally think they were right on the money in their conclusion. I like my CX-7, but it is a vehicle that reaches out to a certain consumer. Any of these vehicles will make their owners happy. They all demonstrate quality and nice fitment. If I only did city driving and needed low-end power, I'd have gone for the Rav. The Acura is too damn expensive for me, so it's not even a contender. Between the Rav, the CRV and any Hyundai/Kia the Mazda is the right choice for me. That's not to say any of the others aren't fine vehicles.
 
CXRabbit said:
Less turbo lag I couldn't answer since I didn't drive it... but when in Motor Trends own test the CX-7 did better from 0-30, I find the comment about lag interesting. Either way doesn't matter, because honestly, I think it's a non-issue once you're used to either car.

You're right about the lag being a non-issue, once you adjust to how it behaves... but it was still noticeable to me.

CXRabbit said:
Seats being comfortable are subjective. You found them more comfortable, Motor Trend was undecided about that.

I realize this is subjective, too... but even my girlfriend (who hates sport seats [my s2000 comes to mind]) really liked the acura seats better.

CXRabbit said:
Acura is the nav system that offers live traffic reporting and this is one area I think Mazda COULD have included (even if they made it an additional option). I do have to give props to Acura on this one -- but like you said, the Mazda unit is pretty nice too. I've read that Mazda has one of the biggest screens, but I couldn't track down accurate info on Acura. In one place is said it was 8" (which I'm sure is wrong) and in another it said 6.5". Mazda's is 7".

I think the live traffic reporting isn't a big issue... it's not available in very many cities at this point, and its one feature I personally wouldn't have benefited from as I don't think any Canadian cities are on this program yet.

CXRabbit said:
Interior is subjective, and I found the two very similar honestly. On the Acura with the nav system, I didn't like the screen placement in relation to the vents and controls. I do like that a lot of the systems are also controled with voice commands (with the tech package) - like climate control.

I actually never really use the voice commands, and I never did in my previous Acura either... so I don't think this is too big of an issue. One thing I wish the CX-7 did was display interior and exterior temperatures simultaneously.

CXRabbit said:
As for storage -- this is one of those areas where every car I looked at I had to play with the storage. I liked the little covered utility box in the doors of the acura... it was unique compared to what everyone else has (at least what I looked at). BUT I LOVE love LOVE the additional cup/water bottle holders in the Mazda doors, which the Acura lacks. When you're a mom picking up food and drinks at the drive-through to bring home, having 3 easily-accessible cup holders (without moving) is VERY handy.

That's why a lot of this stuff becomes subjective, or at least individual to the driver. As an example, Bluetooth is awesome and I use it to transfer things on my cellphone all the time, but I HATE talking on my cellphone (LOL). Hands-free bluetooth is something I'd probably use a handful of times, if that. But someone who does a lot of business on a cellphone would benefit from it a great deal. I wouldn't pay the difference to get that feature alone.

One area I constantly DO complain about with the CX-7 and where I feel Mazda really dropped the ball was their lack of iPod support... ESPECIALLY on the "Tech Package" -- iPod integration should have been a standard part of it, with song display and controls on the screen and controls on the steering wheel. I am holding out hope that the one they are developing for the nav system will be 10 times better than the one available now for cars without, but I don't know how realistic that is :(


I agree that the extra cup holders are nice in the doors, but the one thing I dislike is how little room you have for everything else in those doors... and it would have been nice if Mazda had included one or two areas in the lower dash areas to use as smaller compartments for wallets/cell phones/etc.

Unfortunately I just keep my wallet and cell phone in front of the shifter and my cell phone is slowly scratching up all of that cheap black plastic... :(
 
I love Acura's but I can't get over the RDX's looks yet...it looks squished from the top...it's styling has not grown on me at all yet. It looks really small too! Is the size a bit smaller than the CX7? I am a Mazda and Acura fan but Mazda fits my budget!!!
 
koala said:
Unfortunately I just keep my wallet and cell phone in front of the shifter and my cell phone is slowly scratching up all of that cheap black plastic... :(

Go to the store and buy a Sticky Mat! I'm not sure if thats even the exact name but all it is, is a sticky pad that holds your cell phone in place while you drive. Its not adhesive, but its sticky enough to hold onto the phone, and it easily comes off of any surface if you don't want to use it anymore!

Also, this is one thing I noticed on my test drive. The speedo/rpm gauges, those gauges cannot be altered in terms of their brightness? You know how most cars have a dimmer/brighter switch? The dealer told me the car doesn't have it. The only thing that dims and brightens, is the center top dash display.
 
u talking about the RDX or the Mazda with the dimmer? The mazda has a dimmer, its the left knob next to the speedo. if u push it in, it also engages liek a super red when the lights are on at night. . . .
 
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