Anyway to keep up with a damn elise?

No doubt the Elise is a better performer than the MSP. But didnt the MP3 come close to the Elise in the slalom and in cornering G's(not skidpad) in that now infamous Road and Track article?

Im still proud of the MSP/MP3 tho. :) I wouldnt trade it in for a a Elise. Id trade it in for a EVO MR in "pimp" black on black tho. :):)
 
The slalom and cornering results (how did they measure cornering acceleration if not on a skidpad?) just go to show how meaningless those tests are, the way they're performed. I've seen cars tested in magazine comparison with "ringer" tires (like the Neon that was tested with BFG KDs, even though that's not the factory tire by a longshot).

What's considered a "rich man's car" is relative, but the Elise isn't cheap. Waiting helps, but even for those of us who got on the list early, MSRP is $44,000, delivered, with no options and either yellow or red paint. You want the sports package? $2400. You want the touring package (leather seats and power windows)? $1200. You want some other color? $600. You want a limited slip differential? You get to wait a little longer and pay extra for that, too. I'd guess $1500, if Lotus doesn't bundle it with some electro-nanny stability control (that'd be extra). It's up there in C6 territory, price-wise.

Insurance-wise, when I called for a quote to replace my '99 Miata with an '05 Elise, I was told that my rates would go from $800/year to $3600/year. Ouch! Other people are finding better deals, but I don't think the companies offering the lower rates have realized what the repair costs are like. And Lotus maintenance costs are pretty ridiculous, too. Dealers are charging between $200-300 for the 1000-mile service, which is basically an oil change and a dump of the ECU datalogger (for Lotus' benefit, not yours...they're checking to see if they can void your warranty based on abuse during the break-in period).
 
Orthonormal said:
The slalom and cornering results (how did they measure cornering acceleration if not on a skidpad?) just go to show how meaningless those tests are, the way they're performed. I've seen cars tested in magazine comparison with "ringer" tires (like the Neon that was tested with BFG KDs, even though that's not the factory tire by a longshot).

I thought the SRT-4 came stock with KD-Ws.....

Dan
 
Ah, but this wasn't an SRT-4, and the tires were KDs, not KD-Ws. That is, if I'm remembering the details correctly. For sure, the car in the comparison was on much, much better tires than any tires you could get on the car from the factory.
 
the elise is a fast car all around. my neighbor has a red one that he drives all the time. i dont think he owns it, but i played with him on a street around my house on tuesday, and he spanked me badly. im pretty much stock, and im not a mazdaspeed protege. the car needs an exhaust system though, doesn't sound like much. if i had the money i would definitely get one because that's my type of car and no one makes a car like it. a real sports car, seats and a chassis and a bad ass engine and tranny.
 
just a side note. the front wheels on the elise with a sport package is the same size as the stock p5 and es wheels. the 195/50/16. i think its the spor package, but im not sure. it could be the stock wheel. i know toyo has custom tires for it, so maybe us p5 and es drivers can have a gripper wheel choice now. i'll look into it sometime over the weekend.
 

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