Anyone have experience with this or is using this?

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Page 3 look at my post for new main question


Fixed the problem partly. Check page 3 to help me out


http://www.geocities.com/speedpartsrus/intercoolers.html


Feedback on this would be appericiated.

It's the first one to the right and it would be the one with the hidden welds

 

[Notorious_V.I.C]

no one would like to comment? I want to know if the design looks any good, meaning if it can do the job on cooling. Anyone use this core before or the jonny race car one?

 

[smo0f]

you know, i keep reading that bar and plate is better. i dont know why, but that's the rule of thumb. i would say go with something that is proven already as opposed to trying to save a few bucks. if you're still shoppin for an fmic in 2 months or so, you can check out the fmic nick is gonna build me.

 

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Thanks finally someone replied. Well All I really need is the frekin Intercooler Core. What do you think about the jonny race car core so overall you don't like the one in the link cause? its not bar and plate?

 

[sandspeed]

i have a msp begi fmic tube and fin core and my car runs freakin beautifully now. Im running stock turbo(6.5psi). My friend has a turbo P5 and is impressed with how my car is compared to the stock smic intercooler, he would pull me real bad!! but yes, I generally hear that bar and plate cores (especially garrett) are better. My friend (jomo = on the forum) had a cheap ebay intercooler and swapped to a better spearco intercooler and gain over 20hp to the wheels on the dyno. something to think about when spending the extra $$

 

[Notorious_V.I.C]

hmm, sooo anyone know where i can get a Spearco core with centered endtanks the size includes the endtanks. "31"x6"x3" ?? So do you reccomend the core from thelink above or the jonny race one at all?

 

[smo0f]

peep this guy out

http://www.are.com.au/techtalk/intecoolersMR.htm

 

[smo0f]

Q. What's the difference between 'bar and plate' and 'tube and fin' style intercoolers and which is better?

Tube and fin intercoolers have curved-edged air galleries which makes the overall capacity less, but offer less resistance to air as it passes through the intercooler to cool the compressed air inside.

Bar and plate intercoolers have more rectangular air galleries which allows a higher volume of compressed air to pass through the intercooler, but because the edges are not as aerodynamic, there is more resistance to cooling airflow passing through the core.

I'm not sure that one design is better than the other, I think its more a case of getting one to suit the application.

Where the 'cooler is mounted in a position where there's very little obstruction to air flow in front of it, the bar and plate would probably be a better choice as it can flow more compressed air. But if the intercooler is in a position where the airflow is not as constant (ie. behind a bumper or number plate), a tube and fin one might be the more sensible option because though it flows less compressed air, it offers less resistance to the cooling airflow going through it.

I guess it's all a matter of finding a balance between the volume of compressed air flowing inside the intercooler and how much external cooling air can flow through it.

 

[smo0f]

so for a fmic, bar/plate is the choice.

you know, i never bothered to ask my dad what his opinion is. he's a mechanical engineer, mainly HVAC. Works for the biggest engineering company in NYC, he should know a thing or two

 

[Notorious_V.I.C]

nice, I like the info, Just need to find a place i can get a Core...any help with that??/

edit** so wait isn't the one in the link in my first post a bar and plate?

 

[smo0f]

see what Ben at horsepowerfreaks can do. he's not that far away from you. otherwise i would just google it. unless you dont mind gettin down and dirty and puttin time into this, i dont believe it is wise to waste your time tryin to save a few bucks by doing it yourself, since you don't seem too knowledgeable about these, i know i'm not.

 

[smo0f]

the last one is, i dont know about the other ones

 

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Ben is in Nor Cal? dang. I have everythign to complete well everything on the way to complete a FMIC except the Core. i'll PM Ben and see what he can do.

 

[smo0f]

nah he lives in vancouver but i think he works in portland, close enough. a lot closer to you than me heh. also, i would call Nick too see what he has. Otherwise you know who the other manufacturers are and who sells their stuff

 

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Well I pmed MPNick and Ben at horsepowerfreaks. They seem to be my only hope from what i have as info. Hmm, sucky well at least i'll be doing the right thing and getting a core that will last me in the long run? Not saying the one on top is bad but it's a no name. anything else?

 

[smo0f]

well the other thing is pipes. you're gonna have to go custom/local for em since no one makes them by themselves anymore, unless purchased with a fmic. your other option is to get one of those universal kits off of ebay, your choice of course. again, to me it seems too much of a hassle to put a kit together than to just buy one ready, but there's no fun in that either. your choice my man

 

[Notorious_V.I.C]

hehe, i guess you missed my previous post. I'll let the secrete go for now, I have piping made already, I purchased piping pre-bent and ready to be installed from MAM. Installed once I have my Core that is.

 

[Notorious_V.I.C]

yes I have the piping made already from MAM, have the silicone on order and clamps from ATPtrubo which I will pick up myself and I still need a BPV cause using my BOV will make the car stall heh....and a silicone vaccum line pack from Vibrant.

just need the core, thought I would have this all in by this month but seems like its gonna roll into april possibly mid-april it will be finished. I hope I get everything and install it soon like early mid April. I can do the install with the help of one friend.

 

[smo0f]

yeah i'm going to go with a forge bpv myself, which nick includes in the fmic package. at some point i was looking at the possiblity of maf relocation, but i dont deem it worth it just for the sound of the bov. i won't experience any of the benefits of the maf relocation as i will have a tuner. otherwise you might want to consider it if you want to have a bov and not worry about stalling, however there is a risk of shortening the life of the maf due to extra pressure/heat...all for that bov sound..

 

[Notorious_V.I.C]

yeah i'm going to go with a forge bpv myself, which nick includes in the fmic package. at some point i was looking at the possiblity of maf relocation, but i dont deem it worth it just for the sound of the bov. i won't experience any of the benefits of the maf relocation as i will have a tuner. otherwise you might want to consider it if you want to have a bov and not worry about stalling, however there is a risk of shortening the life of the maf due to extra pressure/heat...all for that bov sound..

yea I was thinking of relocating the MAF too, but I talked to my friend he has an rx-7 haha yea but I decided not to either. I rather not shorten the life of the MAF, but a lot of people have other opinions to say. I depending on the performance I might just take the Forge BOV off and keep the FOrge BPV on. But we will see. Won't i be venting or leting off more pressure if i run a BOV and BPV? I'll be getting DSM's AFC, bigger injectors, and a bigger fuel pump once I recoupe from the money loss of the core. Buying a better core is gonna slow things down but its alright. I might have my Forge bov for sale in the coming weeks we will see.