Another fuel controller to look into...

InsidiousMSP · Sep 3, 2003

HKS AFR Fuel Controller
http://www.turboimports.com/hksafrfuelco.html

If any shop/tuner with access to this fuel controller can fiddle with it on a MSP, that would help us greatly. Maybe it will work with our MAF voltage, unlike the S-AFC supposedly.

DiscreetSpeed · Sep 3, 2003

nice find

hukster00 · Sep 3, 2003

ya hks vpc would be nice too

jred321 · Sep 3, 2003

hukster00 said:
ya hks vpc would be nice too

good luck finding one

hukster00 · Sep 3, 2003

ebay yo

ya i know they stoped making them wonder if it would work on our cars, it be coo if it did tho

Striker187 · Sep 3, 2003

i asked about this a couple weeks ago. people weren't 100% sure but most were saying it won't work. i sent hks an email....they never answered back.

soundbombing · Sep 4, 2003

i talked to hks and they said it would work but i believe they haven't specifically installed one on our cars. this was about two months ago when i was going to buy one and try it but money fell short. it also has the deceleration feature when venting to the atmosphere with a bov.

perfworks · Sep 4, 2003

this will not work with our MAF and stock ECU.sorry

InsidiousMSP · Sep 4, 2003

perfworks said:
this will not work with our MAF and stock ECU.sorry

Are you guessing, or have you tried it?

perfworks · Sep 4, 2003

InsidiousMSP said:
Are you guessing, or have you tried it?

am i guessing??

Do you mean that i have to try everything on the market to know that the voltage signals are not interpretted the same from this unit the the stock ecu?
i have been working with the protege ecu for over a year straight. The MAF on this vehicle can not be manipulated unless some resistors are used inline. And then the chance of success is slim that the stock ecu will concider it.
You need to understand how the system works. Then you need to understand that these units do not control everything they claim. Trust me , take it from someone who has tried alot of units. Unless you go with a stand alnoe" controller or piggyback that "completely " controls the PROCESS of fuel distribution it is fruitless.
But i will keep my opinion to myself next time and not warn anyone.

herbieP5 · Sep 4, 2003

touchy............J/k

I think we can all agree that if perf says it wont work, we probably are best not to question.

I would bet my dollars if anyone knows it is him..

just my 2 cents

InsidiousMSP · Sep 4, 2003

herbieP5 said:
touchy............J/k

I think we can all agree that if perf says it wont work, we probably are best not to question.

I would bet my dollars if anyone knows it is him..

just my 2 cents

It was a simple question. He gave no reason as to why it wouldn't work, of course I'm going to ask how he's sure. Sorry I didn't know it was outrageous to question 'perf.' I have no idea who he is or the proficiency of his statements. All I know is that he sells a piggyback system for the Protege. Anyone can easily say, "Well, the S-AFC doesn't work, so this won't work either," without knowing what the AFR can or can't interpret. I was not sure, and am still not sure, what perf knows about the AFR's capabilities.

perfworks · Sep 4, 2003

InsidiousMSP said:
It was a simple question. He gave no reason as to why it wouldn't work, of course I'm going to ask how he's sure. Sorry I didn't know it was outrageous to question 'perf.' I have no idea who he is or the proficiency of his statements. All I know is that he sells a piggyback system for the Protege. Anyone can easily say, "Well, the S-AFC doesn't work, so this won't work either," without knowing what the AFR can or can't interpret. I was not sure, and am still not sure, what perf knows about the AFR's capabilities.

let me clear up a couple of things.
First i do not sell a piggyback for the protege any longer. I did when i was involved with modern performnce inc in new jersey. I unfortunatly had to leave my own buisness to help with my family with a tragic death and sickness.
My experience with the protege ECU and OBDII controls is what has made me come to the conclusion that these products will not work. BECAUSE i know how they were designed and for what purpose.

Also if you have read my other 2100 posts on the subject you would have seen my opinion on many other products. BUT it was YOU that came out with " are you guessing?" Maybe i took it the wrong way but i am trying to save some people the time and money they work so hard for.

InsidiousMSP · Sep 4, 2003

perfworks said:
BUT it was YOU that came out with " are you guessing?" Maybe i took it the wrong way...

Yes, as a matter of fact your response was unnecessarily arrogant, as if I should have never questioned you. A simple, "No, I haven't tried it, but it may not work because...," would've conveyed some solicitude.

And still, you've given no reason as to why the HKS AFR will not work, aside from reminding me you've tried other products. Your guess may be right, or may be wrong. Regardless, I will assume again that you've came to your conclusion because YOU could not get an Apexi S-AFC to work on a Protege.

Thanks for your opinion.

perfworks · Sep 6, 2003

InsidiousMSP said:
Yes, as a matter of fact your response was unnecessarily arrogant, as if I should have never questioned you. A simple, "No, I haven't tried it, but it may not work because...," would've conveyed some solicitude.

And still, you've given no reason as to why the HKS AFR will not work, aside from reminding me you've tried other products. Your guess may be right, or may be wrong. Regardless, I will assume again that you've came to your conclusion because YOU could not get an Apexi S-AFC to work on a Protege.

Thanks for your opinion.

ok that was cute.

wanna get off my dick now little piggy?

i wont comment on your rediculous statements anymore. IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING about your car and engine theory in general you would have never questioned it. s*** for that matter you would have never posted this bulls*** thread. BUT i guess your too ignorant to understand that.
So listen up prick THE UNIT and many others WILL NOT WORK> go buy it and prove me right asshole.

now good day and go **** yourself

Kenetix · Sep 6, 2003

Ohh, touchy touchy. Whats happening to my favorite board in the world?

InsidiousMSP · Sep 6, 2003

perfworks said:
ok that was cute. wanna get off my dick now little piggy?
i wont comment on your rediculous statements anymore. IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING about your car and engine theory in general you would have never questioned it. s*** for that matter you would have never posted this bulls*** thread. BUT i guess your too ignorant to understand that.
So listen up prick THE UNIT and many others WILL NOT WORK> go buy it and prove me right asshole.

now good day and go **** yourself

I must be a psychic, because I knew you STILL wouldn't be able to explain s***.

That post was mature buddy.

(yawn)

azian6er · Sep 16, 2003

bump hehe

ND4MSP · Sep 16, 2003

Too many pissing contests going on here. Its not Insidious' job to know what this guy is all about or if he ownes a buisness. No need to jump on the guys back because your heads swollen with a plethora of knowledge. He shouldn't have to read an hours worth of posts just to be sure of you're reply. How dare anyone second guess you.

perfworks · Sep 17, 2003

ND4MSP said:
Too many pissing contests going on here. Its not Insidious' job to know what this guy is all about or if he ownes a buisness. No need to jump on the guys back because your heads swollen with a plethora of knowledge. He shouldn't have to read an hours worth of posts just to be sure of you're reply. How dare anyone second guess you.

ummmm **** you too!

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