4 door Sports Sedans Part II

mikeyb · Oct 10, 2007

Finally BMW introduces a real 4-door rival to the RS4 and C63 AMG! Though honestly, I'm keen on a e90 M3 then the other options. Anyway, that's my say. What do you guys think?

2007 Audi RS 4 - $66,000

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Type:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">V8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalB width="52%">Displacement cu in (cc):<SUP></SUP></TD><TD class=TechnicalB width="48%">254 (4163)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Power bhp (kW) at RPM:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">420(323) / 7800</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalB width="52%">Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM:</TD><TD class=TechnicalB width="48%">317(430) / 5500</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Redline at RPM:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">8250</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Length Width Height in:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">179.0 70.8 55.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalB width="52%">Weight lb (kg):</TD><TD class=TechnicalB width="48%">3637 (1650)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Acceleration 0-62 mph s:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">4.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalB width="52%">Top Speed mph (km/h):</TD><TD class=TechnicalB width="48%">152 (250)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km):</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">14/20 (13.7)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

2008 BMW M3 Sedan - n.a.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Type:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">V8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalB width="52%">Displacement cu in (cc):<SUP></SUP></TD><TD class=TechnicalB width="48%">244 (3999)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Power bhp (kW) at RPM:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">414(308) / 8300</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalB width="52%">Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM:</TD><TD class=TechnicalB width="48%">295(400) / 3900</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Redline at RPM:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">8400</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Acceleration 0-60 mph s:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">n.a.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalB width="52%">Top Speed mph (km/h):</TD><TD class=TechnicalB width="48%">155 (250) - electronically limited</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km):</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">n.a.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

2008 Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG - n.a.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Type:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">V8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalB width="52%">Displacement cu in (cc):<SUP></SUP></TD><TD class=TechnicalB width="48%">379 (6208)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Power bhp (kW) at RPM:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">457(336) / 6800</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalB width="52%">Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM:</TD><TD class=TechnicalB width="48%">443(600) / 5000</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Redline at RPM:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">n.a.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Length Width Height in:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">186.1 70.7 56.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalB width="52%">Weight lb (kg):</TD><TD class=TechnicalB width="48%">3813 (1730)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Acceleration 0-60 mph s:</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">4.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalB width="52%">Top Speed mph (km/h):</TD><TD class=TechnicalB width="48%">155 (250) - electronically limited</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TechnicalA width="52%">Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km):</TD><TD class=TechnicalA width="48%">n.a.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

TinmanMS6 · Oct 10, 2007

RS4 all the way. I'm not a big fan of the styling of the E90, and I'll never put M-B on the same level until they give me a clutch pedal. The RS4 is just super-badass.

BlackCherry06 · Oct 10, 2007

I'm an AWD / manual transmission fanatic, so the RS4 gets my vote in the end, but I have to admit that I'm LOVIN Mercedes' new styling direction. Those ovoid headlights were starting to get very tired. Much more aggressive and purposeful looking. However, I would like them to re-consider the way the hood fits on the body. I like the fenders to wrap up and over to meet the hood, instead of the hood wrapping down onto the fenders. It reminds me way too much of the last gen Silverado pickup. But overall the new C is secccccksie.

TinmanMS6 · Oct 10, 2007

I'll agree with that. The new C's do look very nice, but until they put together a decent engine and a proper transmission, I'll pass.

R_Rated · Oct 10, 2007

VOLVO S60R gets my vote

Mr. 4500 RPM · Oct 10, 2007

I am between the BMW and the C class. Well all three are awesome cars. During the world cup in Germany my father rented the new S class, granted it was diesel, but it was an AMAZING car overall and I wouldn't mind having one. The new C class looks awesome, and seeing how MB's interior and ride quality are with the new family GL they are really starting to grow on me. So I do not know what to vote for. But it would be between BMW and MB for me.

evilmonkeyMSP · Oct 10, 2007

Im not digging the 4 door M3 so im gonna have to go w/ the RS4, especially since i had the pleasure of seeing one and hearing one....that V8 sounds delicious...

mikeyb · Oct 10, 2007

I see 3 votes but 6 posts. Come on people.

You all know what one I voted for.

mikeyb · Oct 10, 2007

R_Rated said:
VOLVO S60R gets my vote

underpowered and dead in 2008.

evilmonkeyMSP · Oct 10, 2007

sadly, no. The e46 M3 was hot (being as it was a coupe) I dont care for the new one as a 4-door... thats the M5s job...

misbehave · Oct 10, 2007

mikeyb said:
I see 3 votes but 6 posts. Come on people.

You all know what one I voted for.

Add "None of the above" and I will vote.

mikeyb · Oct 10, 2007

evilmonkeyMSP said:
sadly, no. The e46 M3 was hot (being as it was a coupe) I dont care for the new one as a 4-door... thats the M5s job...

Actually its not the M5's job to fill the entry performance sedan segment. BMW decided to bring a M3 sedan to market because it was its the best selling M3 out of the e36 run. When the e46 came out BMW dropped the sedan and actually regretted not marketting a e46 M3 sedan. So they sold the 330i ZHP (Performance Package) as a stop gap until the e90 M3 appeared. I think its a good thing and why not? The RS4/S4 and C63 AMG are sedans why not have a M3 sedan?

R_Rated · Oct 10, 2007

mikeyb said:
underpowered and dead in 2008.

Mine makes 500 to 4 wheels

mikeyb · Oct 10, 2007

R_Rated said:
Mine makes 500 to 4 wheels

Sweet! List Mods.

TinmanMS6 · Oct 10, 2007

R_Rated said:
VOLVO S60R gets my vote

I'm a big fan of the R Volvos. Sad to see them killed off. I'd love to get a V70 R. They don't really compete with these cars, though. S60 R is much closer to the 335i and S4 than the M3 and the RS4.

R_Rated · Oct 10, 2007

TinmanMS6 said:
I'm a big fan of the R Volvos. Sad to see them killed off. I'd love to get a V70 R. They don't really compete with these cars, though. S60 R is much closer to the 335i and S4 than the M3 and the RS4.

true. Some things to keep in mind that differentiate are AWD vs. RWD and FI vs. NA. All have different fortes. the RS4 though handles like crap due to the largley overweight motor. The Volvo will out handle that all day long. Also keep in mind the volve has larger brakes and brembo 4 pistons on all fours. Finally, the volvo gets fulll tq at 1650 RPM and hp far sooner than those high revving V8's. Plus you can always throw out the card that if you spend the $$$ difference on mods it is better. the ONLY reason that the MS6 could not hang with tat card played is the interior quality. the volos is better than the 3 in the poll.

R_Rated · Oct 10, 2007

mikeyb said:
Sweet! List Mods.

EXTERIOR
-EVOLVE front bumper cover;
-EVOLVE side skirts;
-EVOLVE Rear bumper;
-6500K HID headlights;
-custom, smoked rear tails;
-15% tint;
-shaved trunk;
-Removed Badging;
-Proprietary grill/bumper inserts;
-Proprietary "phantom" fog lights;
-18" x 9" HRE C20 wheels, rear;
-18" x 9" HRE C20 wheels, front;
-titanium hardware on wheels;
-Michelin 245/40 18 PS2 rubber;
-Euro-rear view mirrors conversion;

INTERIOR
-Dark Blue Die Leather seats;
-Bark Blue Leather door panels;
-Custom leather stitching;
-Custom Dye carpet;
-aluminum trim;
-takspeed door locks;
-Sparco seatbelts;
-R Instrument Gauges;
-Custom stereo;
-autometer carbon fiber boost gauge;
-peak boost warning;
-peak boost recall;
-AEM air fuel gauge;
-Apexi turbo timer;

SUSPENSION/HANDLING
-EVOLVE Engine mount Bushing;
-strut brace tensioner bushings;
-EVOLVE Front sway bar;
-EVOLVE Rear swaybar;
-QBM endlinks;
-QBM sturbar conversion;
-EVOLVE Lowering springs;
-3-way adjustable suspension;
-Takspeed Titanium Brake shims;
-Volvo brake spacers;
-355mm x 44mm 2 piece drilled rotors;
-SS brake line;
-Hawk HPS performance pads;
-Brembo 4 piston calipers on all fours;
-Custom rear camber plates;

PERFORMANCE/ENGINE
-Inline 5;
-Denso Iridium Spark plugs;
-Optima Red-top battery;
-Custom TME/MTE/IPD ECU tune;
-Garrett GT3R/GT35R Turbo;
-Titanium Turbo blades;
-MTE Exhaust Manifold;
-Samco Diverter Valve;
-ATP DP KKK Flange;
-ATP VBand with reducer
-Custom [turbo]water line;
-Custom [turbo]oil line;
-Custom 3.5" Down pipe;
-Proprietary 3.5" Exhaust;
-Proprietary 3.5" racing straight pipe;
-EVOLVE Upper radiator hose;
-EVOLVE Lower radiator hose;
-Ported/Polished Turbo housing;
-Ported/Polished exhaust manifold;
-Proprietary built forged/coated race pistons;
-Proprietary built forged sleeves;
-Proprietary built forged/coated rods;
-Proprietary built/coated cams;
-ARP studs;
-Custom Valve work;
-Proprietary ram-air intake tube routing;
-performance air filer;
-Walboro Fuel pump;
-Proprietary fuel rail;
-EFI 1000 cc fuel injectors;
-Roush oil cooler;
-Unorthodox Racing pulley;
-Radiator relocated;
-3" polished SS intercooler piping;
-27" x 9" x 3.25" Spearco Intercooler;
-Euro sport tuning silicone couplings;
-Nitrous Express Ntercooler Spray;
-NX 10lb. Bottle;
-Nitrous Express Carbon Fiber solenoid;
-Apexi Turbo Timer;
-autometer carbon fiber boost gauge;
-peak boost warning;
-peak boost recall;
-AEM air fuel gauge;
-QBM lower transmission mount.

IN CAR ENTERTAINMENT
-5.1 DTA - Dolby Prologic II - Dolby Digital surround sound;
-(2/1set)Focal Utopia 3-way components, 7", 3", 1" in front doors;
-(1)Clif Designs QX6550 in Center Channel position;
-(2)Clif Designs QX6550 in trunk;
-(2)JL 8W0 in rear shelf;
-(2/iset)MB Quart QSD216 6.75", 1" components in rear doors;
-Sub: JL 13W7;
-Amp: JL 1000/1;
-Amp: JL 450/4;
-Amp: JL 300/4;
-Amp: Clarion Center Channel Amp
-Head Unit: Kenwood Excelon DDX-8017;
-(2)Stinger Expert series 20 farad capacitors;
-Stinger Expert series RCA's and cables;
-Stinger Expert series battery terminal w/ LED;
-Stinger Expert series fuses/distro box;
-Stinger lightweight performance battery;
-Custom Flush mount amp rack;
-Custom Sealed sub enclosure;

Andrewsmc · Oct 10, 2007

R_Rated said:
VOLVO S60R gets my vote

(werd) loved the car from day 1, and im not a big fan of volvos at all. But it has styling, power and so much more.

mikeyb · Oct 10, 2007

The S 60 R competed with the e46 m3, old S4. and C55 AMG not these new versions.

mikeyb · Oct 10, 2007

R_Rated said:
EXTERIOR
-EVOLVE front bumper cover;
-EVOLVE side skirts;
-EVOLVE Rear bumper;
-6500K HID headlights;
-custom, smoked rear tails;
-15% tint;
-shaved trunk;
-Removed Badging;
-Proprietary grill/bumper inserts;
-Proprietary "phantom" fog lights;
-18" x 9" HRE C20 wheels, rear;
-18" x 9" HRE C20 wheels, front;
-titanium hardware on wheels;
-Michelin 245/40 18 PS2 rubber;
-Euro-rear view mirrors conversion;

INTERIOR
-Dark Blue Die Leather seats;
-Bark Blue Leather door panels;
-Custom leather stitching;
-Custom Dye carpet;
-aluminum trim;
-takspeed door locks;
-Sparco seatbelts;
-R Instrument Gauges;
-Custom stereo;
-autometer carbon fiber boost gauge;
-peak boost warning;
-peak boost recall;
-AEM air fuel gauge;
-Apexi turbo timer;

SUSPENSION/HANDLING
-EVOLVE Engine mount Bushing;
-strut brace tensioner bushings;
-EVOLVE Front sway bar;
-EVOLVE Rear swaybar;
-QBM endlinks;
-QBM sturbar conversion;
-EVOLVE Lowering springs;
-3-way adjustable suspension;
-Takspeed Titanium Brake shims;
-Volvo brake spacers;
-355mm x 44mm 2 piece drilled rotors;
-SS brake line;
-Hawk HPS performance pads;
-Brembo 4 piston calipers on all fours;
-Custom rear camber plates;

PERFORMANCE/ENGINE
-Inline 5;
-Denso Iridium Spark plugs;
-Optima Red-top battery;
-Custom TME/MTE/IPD ECU tune;
-Garrett GT3R/GT35R Turbo;
-Titanium Turbo blades;
-MTE Exhaust Manifold;
-Samco Diverter Valve;
-ATP DP KKK Flange;
-ATP VBand with reducer
-Custom [turbo]water line;
-Custom [turbo]oil line;
-Custom 3.5" Down pipe;
-Proprietary 3.5" Exhaust;
-Proprietary 3.5" racing straight pipe;
-EVOLVE Upper radiator hose;
-EVOLVE Lower radiator hose;
-Ported/Polished Turbo housing;
-Ported/Polished exhaust manifold;
-Proprietary built forged/coated race pistons;
-Proprietary built forged sleeves;
-Proprietary built forged/coated rods;
-Proprietary built/coated cams;
-ARP studs;
-Custom Valve work;
-Proprietary ram-air intake tube routing;
-performance air filer;
-Walboro Fuel pump;
-Proprietary fuel rail;
-EFI 1000 cc fuel injectors;
-Roush oil cooler;
-Unorthodox Racing pulley;
-Radiator relocated;
-3" polished SS intercooler piping;
-27" x 9" x 3.25" Spearco Intercooler;
-Euro sport tuning silicone couplings;
-Nitrous Express Ntercooler Spray;
-NX 10lb. Bottle;
-Nitrous Express Carbon Fiber solenoid;
-Apexi Turbo Timer;
-autometer carbon fiber boost gauge;
-peak boost warning;
-peak boost recall;
-AEM air fuel gauge;
-QBM lower transmission mount.

IN CAR ENTERTAINMENT
-5.1 DTA - Dolby Prologic II - Dolby Digital surround sound;
-(2/1set)Focal Utopia 3-way components, 7", 3", 1" in front doors;
-(1)Clif Designs QX6550 in Center Channel position;
-(2)Clif Designs QX6550 in trunk;
-(2)JL 8W0 in rear shelf;
-(2/iset)MB Quart QSD216 6.75", 1" components in rear doors;
-Sub: JL 13W7;
-Amp: JL 1000/1;
-Amp: JL 450/4;
-Amp: JL 300/4;
-Amp: Clarion Center Channel Amp
-Head Unit: Kenwood Excelon DDX-8017;
-(2)Stinger Expert series 20 farad capacitors;
-Stinger Expert series RCA's and cables;
-Stinger Expert series battery terminal w/ LED;
-Stinger Expert series fuses/distro box;
-Stinger lightweight performance battery;
-Custom Flush mount amp rack;
-Custom Sealed sub enclosure;

Nice!! Did you buy one of the Evolve cars?

4 door Sports Sedans Part II

Ultimate 4 door Sports Sedan

Audi RS4

BMW e90 M3

C63 AMG

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