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Because SRTForums.com is 100% representative of the entire market of SRT-4 owners. :rolleyes: I'd be willing to bet you there will be more than enough under-experienced kids driving these things into trees/cars/ditches/curbs etc, because they can't handle the power. Thus, the insurance will...

Ahh, here come the magazine racers. :rolleyes: Basically, my thoughts are this. If I wanted a balls out drag racer that can handle relatively well with some mods and push rediculous amounts of horsepower for little money, I'd buy... ... A MUSTANG. There's no way I'd fork over $20k + $8-10k...

I love the MSP, and I'm a long way off from owning one. :o

Forgive my ignorance, but what do we do with the IP address you gave us, FSRBiker98? :confused:

Not according to the little tags hanging in the MSPs here. They all say 4-year, 50k warranty. :eek:

Now I'm really confused. The MSP tied for second quickest jaunt to 60 with the Cooper S (albeit slightly slower 1/4 time), came in second for braking, FIRST for cornering, and high in peak braking... yet it came in LAST in their comparo? If one takes into consideration the 4 doors, LSD...

I'll take a few off-the-lot issues over driving a Civic for years. :o

Some of their complaints confuse me. They whine about torque steer on the MSP, yet the SRT-4 should potentially have TONS more of it (due to higher torque and no LSD). The SVT really is a good car, but it has enough faults that I fail to see how it's significantly better than the MSP (strange...

If you don't mind my asking, what are you monthly payments going the lease route? If for some reason finances don't work out like I'd like, I may consider this.

Are the 4 colors for 2003.5 in ADDITION to the black and orange, or do they replace them?

Like has been said before, the SRT-4, while an AMAZING straightline racer and not-too-shabby handler, isn't the best car for daily driving. Owners have commented on the car's rather loud exhaust (no stock mufflers), restrictive seats for bigger people (I have broad shoulders), and excessively...

Wow, so you'd be looking at about $19,300 as your final total? Let us know what you end up walking out with pricewise, as that's about what I was shooting for in my head (between 19 and 19.5). Might have to use you as ammunition with my dealer. ;)

As a point of advice, would it help to threaten moving to another brand if they don't bargain? Surely MSP dealerships are aware of the SRT-4 by now, and the threat it poses to MSP sales.

Black... save a Titanium for me. :o

If I hadn't already driven the car a couple of times, I'd be pretty pissed. Like I told the Subaru dealer, how am I supposed to decide if I like the car unless I get a chance to drive one? I won't buy unless I get a test drive first. But I guess on a positive note, it means there will be...

Has it been confirmed that the 2003.5 is just a lip? And do we know if it's removable? If so, I might have to hold off and pick up the titanium silver in June/July. ;)

...And I must say, what a mighty fine machine. :cool: There was a mildly riced out Spec V (both were black) nearby, and it just really doesn't compare. MSP looks so much less "dumpy-butted" and more aggressive. The guy who was driving it seemed to be enjoying himself, while still being good...

God willing.

...Just means it's that much more likely that a black MSP will be waiting for me when I can afford to pick one up in early summer. :o

At this point, I'll take ANY import over a domestic. My family has owned nothing but Japanese imports for the last 15 years, and the Cougar was the first domestic we purchased (besides my brother and his Mustangs, which he maintains religously). Turns out, it'll be our LAST. Every other car...