Hypertech Vs. Cobb acess

Drumraven12

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2008 speed3
I need some help deciding wich one to get?

I have read alot about both... I like that the hypertech appears to be conservative leaning to the safe side but I also like cobbs on the fly switching and monitoring...

Just looking for opinions and advice ...... Thanks


Only mods I have ATM cai,bov,cbe
 
There was a whole right on this with a logs and everything over on mazdaspeed forums, he picked the AP over the HT.. I Have the HT and love it, But I was also thinking of picking up a AP just to compare on my own but what makes me nervous is there seems to be a ton out there for sale and lots of threads with "AP issue PLEASE help", Why? No clue.. Just made me a bit hesitant on getting one.
 
The AP does alot more and opens a whole bunch of new failure modes.

Here's how I break it down:

1. Hypertech: For people who want a solid, plug and play tune that they're going to leave alone. Works well on modified cars as well, up to the point you change out the turbo.

2. Cobb: Canned tunes hit and miss for individual cars. To justify this, you must have a custom tune done or experience/desire, with ATR, to tune yourself. Can datalog too but, only one parameter at a time. Datalogging better done with a Dashhawk.

3. CP-e Standback: Very costly, especially when you start adding the flashes. Should be reserved for BT setups, etc. However, an unflashed Standback is the only certainly diagnostically invisible setup of the three. IOW, your stock flash on the ECM is untouched.
 
The AP does alot more and opens a whole bunch of new failure modes.

Here's how I break it down:

1. Hypertech: For people who want a solid, plug and play tune that they're going to leave alone. Works well on modified cars as well, up to the point you change out the turbo.

2. Cobb: Canned tunes hit and miss for individual cars. To justify this, you must have a custom tune done or experience/desire, with ATR, to tune yourself. Can datalog too but, only one parameter at a time. Datalogging better done with a Dashhawk.

3. CP-e Standback: Very costly, especially when you start adding the flashes. Should be reserved for BT setups, etc. However, an unflashed Standback is the only certainly diagnostically invisible setup of the three. IOW, your stock flash on the ECM is untouched.

I new to the Cobb AP world but mine has been able to datalog several parameters at the same time. I currently have 11 parameters set up.
 
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HT doesn't do this. HT allows you to view and clear DTCs but that's it.

DashHawk is what I use for this. Up to 6 parameters can be displayed but, it gets silly small at that point. I use 4, typically, because I can set up multiple screens with 4 items on each and scroll through them, depending on what I want to look at.
 
OP: depends on your objectives. +1 on what Darth says with this additional observation. I don't have AP or Standback, so others with those tuning solutions can chime in. I just installed Hypertech and am playing with it, so my experience is limited there too.

What I can say is that Hypertech has modest goals and they seem to be realistic. I was skeptical initially and was afraid they were just going to up the boost, raise the load limits and lean out the mixture to produce some good dyno numbers that soon turned into zoom, zoom, boom on the consumer end. They did not take that approach. It looks like they did their homework and took feedback from this and other boards and did their research and development in a methodical way placing safety first. I really like that approach.

Until I can get some cooler weather and can compare some accelerometer data logging with logging I did on the stock tune in cooler weather, the jury is still out in my mind on how the tune will work from a power development standpoint with my mods.

I can say that repeated back to back 6.3-6.4 second 60-100 mph runs in 95-100 degree, 90% humidity conditions suggests to me that Hypertech is building a bit more power than I had before, and doing it in a very safe manner.

Yes, you can make more power with AP and Standback for those who are very knowledgable about tuning and/or willing to run the risk (read: $$$$$) for mistakes made by themselves or their sometimes professional tuners.

If the goal is to stay safe and make the car a lot more fun to drive and get a nice, modest step up in power, Hypertech is the real deal. If you are going for maximum power and reliability be damned, and you or your tuner know what in the hell you/they are doing, then AP or Standback may be a better choice.

HT is not a huge power builder. It does seem to be compatable with just about all bolt-on mods and seems to help them work together, while adding some nice touches like releasing the 0-60 mph restriction and making some safe headroom above 6,000 rpm, and allowing some other less important adjustments.

For a daily driver car that needs a little more zoom to its zoom, zoom, this is a good mod friendly choice.

Here's a teaser G-Tech Pro RR chart. Laugh at my crappy 60 ft of 2.4 with an obviously granny shifted 1-2 due to traction problems -- I sure did, but I was not trying to lauch perfectly. I was more concerned about what the run would show for the time intervals from 60 to 100, which came up in 6.3 seconds on that run. Not bad for the high heat and humidity. You do have to dial back the quarter mile trap speed by about 1.5 mph or so, because G-Tech measures absolute speed at the end of the quarter, while the track timer averages the mph over the last 66 feet of the quarter. The car seems to be making nice power for this mod level, once it hooks up.

But again, I caution putting too much value in a single run under very adverse conditions.
 

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Thank you all for the opinions and responses....

sounds like the hypertech is the way to go for me I have a few more mods I want to add but I am deffinatly on the better safe than sorry angle.


Thanks again
 
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